Worf in DS9, a good idea?

[Prax]

Worf had a great deal of development on both shows, more so than many other characters. Even some in TNG's 1st season. I wish they wouldn't have repeated the same story(Worf's a pariah) in both shows though. Either have him be disgraced in TNG , or disgraced in DS9, not have him disgraced and redeemed in TNG, then again Disgraced and Redeemed in DS9. Maybe he could have finished TNG as the pariah, the regain his honor in DS9.

Also, both shows typically treated "Klingons!" as a stereotype, or usually did. We very rarely saw more sophisticated Klingons like in TUC, or even The Original Series. It became all "BLOOD WINE!" and "Gagh!" and of course, "Honor, Honor, Honor!"

But yeah, Worf was very good, and had many excellent stories in both shows. Dorn has appeared in more hours of Star Trek than any other actor.

Worf serving under Picard never made sense to me. Don't know why really, I suppose it seemed he would suggest something to Picard and Picard would do something else.

Oh, I know... Any Captain worth his salt knows that having a pet Klingon for protection is good business sense.

 

[Paradise City]

He was great on DS9. Some of the characters that came in his wake went in directions I don't quite like -- namely Kurn and Alexander. I would've liked to have seen Kurn as a recurring character. But Gowron was good and the interplay between Worf and Martok was superb. We got the Kor send off too. The most amusing thing about his arrival was that his job and purpose was very, very contrived. But the two-parter WOTW were classy episodes and helped him slide in easily as part of the ensemble.

I suppose the biggest thing about Worf overall was that his character acted as a gravity well that pulled the entire series towards the Klingons universe. If you have only a certain threshold for Klingon storylines you're going to get very irritated. Didn't bother me mind you.

I sometimes wonder how the series would've unfolded without the heavy Klingon angle that followed on from the hiring of Dorn.

 

[Sakonna]

Worf had a great deal of development on both shows, more so than many other characters. Even some in TNG's 1st season. I wish they wouldn't have repeated the same story(Worf's a pariah) in both shows though. Either have him be disgraced in TNG , or disgraced in DS9, not have him disgraced and redeemed in TNG, then again Disgraced and Redeemed in DS9. Maybe he could have finished TNG as the pariah, the regain his honor in DS9.

This is what I thought when it was airing, but on rewatch today I enjoy that they play that angle, it works so well with DS9's island-of-the-misfit-toys thing. So many of these characters are outcasts from their own people, or more comfortable with aliens than they are with their own species, Worf's latest discommendation fits well in the milieu.

I also think DS9 does the story better than TNG did, despite it being the second time through.

 

[JayTheTrekkie]

I may not be a big fan of DS9 but it was a nice change to see Worf be on DS9.

 

[Qonundrum]

Worf on TNG was Picard reminding him about how he should always put Starfleet first and restrain his Klingon self. Sisko (to a degree) allowed him to be more Klingon. Hell, the man would chuck some bloodwine with and would want to learn how to cook bloodpie.

Worf was way more suited to DS9. He was actually a Klingon, instead of a humand with a ridged forehead and a bad temper. He was much more accepted as part of the whole, instead of just someone that was there and had to be taken into account. Only Troi truly accepted him for him. Riker was mostly curious about The Klingon instead of Worf.

True, but only so far would Sisko let him go, and the line was with certain Klingon custom rituals:

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(A scene that quickly shows how Worf was the perfect addition to DS9 - interaction and conflict as opposed to the artificial preaching that TNG gravitated toward, especially in episodes like "Birthright pt 2" that felt so contrived (cool premise, but felt way too contrived in its handling)...)

Worf got a good start in TNG, certainly, but in DS9 they did a lot more. And more believably.

 

[Prax]

I have a contrary example to that:

In TNG, Worf was crippled and wanted to commit suicide, and he wanted Riker to assist him. Now from Worf's perspective, he has very good reason to desire this. I can even sympathize with him a little. Anyways, Riker was all "I can't do that. That's messed up, man!" And he goes to Picard for advice.

What does Picard say?
"It's all good, numbah one. Go for it. It's the Klingon way, after all." He's even smiling a little while he says this.

Now in DS9, Kurn comes to Worf for the very same "procedure." Kurn also has good reason for this, and I REALLY sympathize with him. Worf doesn't want to necessarily, but this whole thing is kind of his(and mostly Sisko's)fault. He feels guilt and wants to honor his brother properly. So he proceeds to conduct the "ritual."

What does Sisko say? He flips out. I mean, he flips the *%#! out! "I've had enough of your stupid Klingon crap Worf! You too Dax! This is my station! GET.OUT!"

Moral of the story:
Well, there's two.
1. Worf just can't win(you could put that on a t-shirt)
2. Poor Kurn

 

[Peach Wookiee]

Personally, I loved Worf on DS9. And he and Sisko got along, except when it came to Klingon ritual suicide (at least when it comes to killing oneself because of one's brother's dishonor). To be fair, Captain Picard objected to Klingon stuff only a couple of times, the big one being when Worf killed Duras.

 

[Tora Ziyal]

I loved Worf in both series. His going to DS9 is what got me to watch DS9 regularly instead of occasionally. My only real complaint is that I was never convinced by the Worf-Jadzia relationship. (Or maybe I was just jealous of Jadzia. )

 

[Kor]

Yes, Worf in DS9 was a very good idea.

And once he was assigned to DS9, he shouldn't have shown up in any more TNG movies.

Kor

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Worf was great on DS9. The writers were hurting for combat stories, and doing yarns about Bajoran freedom fighters and former terrorists against the Cardassians was played out by the end of season 1.

Worf helped grow the tent of DS9's universe. Far more than the local (and in my opinion uninteresting) politics of Bajor could.

Too bad about Kang, Koloth and Kor. They were used up too early for a mediorce episode.

 

[Prax]

Kor appeared a few times. His last appearance was in season 7.

 

[Kor]

Worf was great on DS9. The writers were hurting for combat stories, and doing yarns about Bajoran freedom fighters and former terrorists against the Cardassians was played out by the end of season 1.

Worf helped grow the tent of DS9's universe. Far more than the local (and in my opinion uninteresting) politics of Bajor could.

Too bad about Kurn, Koloth and Kor. They were used up too early for a mediorce episode.

Kang, Koloth and Kor.

Kor

 

[Mage]

True, but only so far would Sisko let him go, and the line was with certain Klingon custom rituals:

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(A scene that quickly shows how Worf was the perfect addition to DS9 - interaction and conflict as opposed to the artificial preaching that TNG gravitated toward, especially in episodes like "Birthright pt 2" that felt so contrived (cool premise, but felt way too contrived in its handling)...)

Worf got a good start in TNG, certainly, but in DS9 they did a lot more. And more believably.

Exactly, that's why I said Sisko allowed a lot, to a degree.

 

[evillouie]

I thought he was OK on DS9, but the problem was, for the next couple of TNG movies, they JUST HAPPENED to run into Worf wherever they happened to be. That was so contrived and it bugged the crap out of me. And when the show ended, he should have said he was being reassigned to the Enterprise, not this ambassador stuff. Would have made more sense when Nemesis came around and there he is in a Starfleet uniform as a regular member of Picard's crew.

 

[Gary7]

I didn't have any misgivings. I was curious to see how it would play out. And as others have said, I think having Worf on the show was one of the better character castings for DS9. He was also a convenient device for further developing the entire lore of the Klingon species (would have been more difficult to do it without a Klingon in the cast).

 

[SimpleLogic]

I am on the side of those who think Worf was better on DS9. That show did let him be more like he should be, On TNG all he did was make suggestions that got shot down, and constantly let the ship get taken over. I liked when Odo brought that up when Worf complained about how he ran security on the station.

 

[Herbert]

Worf was way more suited to DS9. He was actually a Klingon, instead of a humand with a ridged forehead and a bad temper. He was much more accepted as part of the whole, instead of just someone that was there and had to be taken into account. Only Troi truly accepted him for him. Riker was mostly curious about The Klingon instead of Worf.

A Klingon yes but one that was not raised by and with Klingons and not exposed to Klingon culture and society through first hand experience throughout his entire life. That changes the narrative a bit.

 

[Herbert]

I am on the side of those who think Worf was better on DS9. That show did let him be more like he should be, On TNG all he did was make suggestions that got shot down, and constantly let the ship get taken over. I liked when Odo brought that up when Worf complained about how he ran security on the station.

Worf was a graduate of the Tuvok Ship Security Academy

 

[Kor]

... And when the show ended, he should have said he was being reassigned to the Enterprise, not this ambassador stuff. ...

That would have provided a more valid reason for Worf to keep appearing in TNG movies, but it would have been a step backward in his character development.

Kor

 

[USS Excelsior]

And were contrived excuses for Worf to turn up on TNG movies a good idea after he left that crew.

 

[JesterFace]

While it's true that Worf had new story lines and character development in DS9, as a massive TNG fan, it just feels he doesn't belong there...