Worf and Sisko's relationship...

[comicbookwriter]

How would you characterize the dynamic between Worf and Sisko? I found them to be deeply respectful of each other but not being close friends like him and Picard/Riker/Troi.

I always was under the impression that Worf and Sisko should have been extremely close in the sense that they both held deep convictions but had to sometimes betray themselves for the greater good.

But that's just my two cents.

What do you guys think? Are there any episodes that kind of typify the Sisko/Worf relationship?

B.

 

[DonIago]

I thought it was kind of mentor-student, especially when Worf moved increasingly into Command.

 

[Anthony Sabre]

Definitely mentor-protege relationship. The best scenes with the two of them occur at the end of Way of the Warrior and Rules of Engagement. I've always felt that Sisko was rather tough on Worf. Sisko expected Worf to be a Starfleet officer first and foremost but also to be a Klingon when needed. Those two are not easily reconciled with each other.

 

[Sisko4Life]

I haven't watched enough of them interact to make a good judgement. BUT, I do remember I think Jadzia poking fun at Worf because Worf mentioned that Captain Sisko intimidated him. That alone leads me to believe that Sisko saw great potential in him and was tougher on him. We saw a bit of it in Change of Heart when Sisko was disciplining Worf.

 

[KlingonZ]

I always thought Sisko was a little hard on Worf in the episode where Judzia is mortally wounded and Worf returns her to DS9 leaving the Cardasian spy to be captured. Can't find the name of this episode.

Since WWI or maybe WWII family members do no serve on the same ship, space station would be ok, or go on the same mission for just that reason. Sisko acted like he never heard of this and laid into Worf too hard IMO. I would think of it as a respectful boss to an employee friendship.

 

[Sisko4Life]

It was "Change of Heart."

 

[Red Ranger]

Agree that their relationship was more akin to mentor-protege or sensei-top student. We do know Worf has a lot of respect and loyalty for Sisko, as he told Sisko in To The Death that if Ometi'Klan killed him, he "would not live long to boast of it," promising to avenge his death quickly. And Sisko responds, "That's very reassuring, Mr. Worf." -- RR

 

[Timo]

...Which is sort of weird, considering that Worf in and after TNG is a celebrity and a great believer in trampling one's own path. Picard may have been a father figure to him, but he's all grown up now. Why would he willingly submit to being a student again? What would he have to learn from Sisko that Picard and the "fellow" Klingons would not have taught already?

One would have expected a sort of "Don't you know who I am... Sir?" attitude of him at first...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[RaymondJames]

Close Brothers-inlaw.
Sisko and Dax have along history and a very close friendship, with Dax and Worf in a relationship that kind of makes Benjamin a brother-in law type. On top of that they had a Mentior-Student thing going on.

 

[Photon]

Sorta the mentor-student role. Too, a big brother-little brother type thing.

Worf saw Picard as father-like superior, he saw Sisko as a tough as nails type commander. I think the Klingon in Worf respected Sisko, because he could kick his ass

 

[KlingonZ]

I think if it came to it that Worf would kick the crap out of Sisko

 

[Jack Bauer]

Worf respected Picard as a great leader, etc but with Sisko it was a bit different. I think Sisko intimidated Worf somewhat. I think he viewed Sisko as cif he were close to being a Klingon as possible.

 

[Photon]

Worf respected Picard as a great leader, etc but with Sisko it was a bit different. I think Sisko intimidated Worf somewhat. I think he viewed Sisko as cif he were close to being a Klingon as possible.

Exactly, Sisko didn't bat an eye to get in Worf's face but Worf made his greatest strides in SF w/Sisko.

Also, Worf & Sisko being single dads gave them some commonality, too

 

[comicbookwriter]

Worf respected Picard as a great leader, etc but with Sisko it was a bit different. I think Sisko intimidated Worf somewhat. I think he viewed Sisko as cif he were close to being a Klingon as possible.

Exactly, Sisko didn't bat an eye to get in Worf's face but Worf made his greatest strides in SF w/Sisko.

Also, Worf & Sisko being single dads gave them some commonality, too

Yes, I didn't think about the single dad connection. Good point there.

Sisko seemed much more at ease with the aggressive side of Klingons than Picard was. He didn't mind to sing and drink and fight with Klingons and Worf also noticed this.

Sisko was one of the few Starfleet people in general (other than Jadzia) who genuinely was not afraid to yell at Worf or tell him he did something wrong right to his face without nary a flinch.

Picard always did it at a distance (except when he lost his mind in First Contact, and he quickly apologized after Lily explained he was being an @$$hole to everyone).

Its funny to think that Sisko intimidated Worf. Because Sisko always got an interesting range of reactions from people.

Heavily respected and loved by Kira.
The same with Dax.
Respected by O'Brien, almost deified by him... I remember him saying that if anyone could end the Dominion War, it would be Sisko.
Adversarial with Odo, then became close allies.
Respectful with Dukat, then became fierce enemies.
Playful annoyance with Quark, then told him point blank that if he caught him doing anything wrong, he would shut him down and lock him up.
Strange mentor/distrustful relationship with Garak, who taught him that a small bit of evil can be necessary for the greater good.

Interesting character development.

CBW

 

[LutherSloan]

I always felt like Worf had a lot more respect for Picard than he did for Sisko. Most likely this was because Sisko was roughly around the same age and both of them had about the same experience level. Maybe Worf felt like Sisko should rank below him?

 

[comicbookwriter]

I always felt like Worf had a lot more respect for Picard than he did for Sisko. Most likely this was because Sisko was roughly around the same age and both of them had about the same experience level. Maybe Worf felt like Sisko should rank below him?

Not more respect, but a different kind of respect.

Picard helped Worf with his family situation within the Klingon empire and served with him for over 7 years on the Federation flagship.

Sisko called upon Worf in the middle of the Klingon advance upon Cardassia and then had to serve in a war that could have changed the galaxy forever.

Sisko was one of the best battle commanders/strategists in all of Starfleet... Worf was brilliant in his own right, but not on Sisko's level.

CBW

 

[DarthPipes]

Respected by O'Brien, almost deified by him... I remember him saying that if anyone could end the Dominion War, it would be Sisko.

I always liked that scene between the two of them in "Tears of the Prophets" when O'Brien wishes Sisko good luck as he leaving and Sisko stops so he can shake his hand. Always thought that summed up their relationship nicely.

 

[Marie1]

I was watching that episode where Ezri first comes to the station, and she's having issues... can't remember what its called, tho I saw it recently... but I think Ezri says that Worf is a bit intimidated by Sisko... anyone remember that? I don't think it was mentioned above...

 

[psikeyhackr]

but I think Ezri says that Worf is a bit intimidated by Sisko... anyone remember that? I don't think it was mentioned above...

I thought of that as soon as I saw this thread.

I considered that a ridiculous statement. Admired maybe, intimidated no.

But the fact of the matter is that Star Trek is fundamentally AUTHORITARIAN. Authority is almost always portrayed as correct and wise and everyone is supposed to be a good little follower.

And yet in The Emissary episode Sisko makes fun of the Authoritarian Cardassian architecture.

You have to analyze works in terms of the actual culture they are created in and not just in terms of the fantasy they portray. The Zendi attack in Enterprise reminded me too much of 9/11 so I quit watching the show back then. It doesn't annoy me as much now.

psik

 

[Marie1]

I think it has to do with the Fed. structure which is like military structure where you are trained to obey. The only time we stop and analyze whether that is a good idea (in the army, you'd think the upper ranks have more intel then the lower ones, and are acting in the best interests of the majority- in theory) is when we meet the Jem'Hadar- "Obedience brings victory. And victory is life"- but we - they views- *know* thats not true, especially given how twisted the Vorta are. Then we start to question the structure. But for a military to work, there must be a hierarchy.

That being said, Worf may have been "intimidated" by Sisko's confidence, given how Worf may have told Jadzia that when he was new on the station, and given his rough start (think was it F&GR?). Or maybe just how different Sisko seemed than Picard... its probably not black and white.