Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion
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Helps to explain why all the major theatrical movies featuring him are some degree of bad, doesn't it?
The bullshit I'm referring to is the contention that Marvel doesn't have this issue. The issue itself is a valid point.
Marvel DOES manage to put Thor in real danger in every movie thus far, though. Even with him being a God and everything.
At least they have him fight others whose power comes from the same source so there's some level of real danger. And he doesn't need random deus ex machina powers at the last second.
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Helps to explain why all the major theatrical movies featuring him are some degree of bad, doesn't it?
MCU Thor isn't a "god". He's an alien, like Superman.
They go back and forth on it. Raganrok explicitly calls them Gods.
For all we know WW's Gods are the same, just advanced beings like the New Gods. Hell, Superman is an alien and he beat up a God like Steppenwolf easily.
Greek and Norse Gods were never the "Traditional" omnipotent Gods anyways, they died and got hurt in their stories.
Is this more DC Comics v. Marvel bullshit? Oh my God.
Isn't that just comic fans all day every day?
("Rabbit season!" "Duck season!")There's definitely something to that. It's a struggle that all of his movies have dealt with and have generally resorted to either:
1.) Kryptonite. (Superman, Superman III, Superman Returns, Batman v. Superman)
2.) Another being with powers of Kryptonian origin. (Superman II, Superman III, Superman IV, Man of Steel, Batman v. Superman)
Funny enough, Justice League is his first big screen outing that doesn't rely on one of those 2 features (unless you're going to count the Kirk Alyn serials or the George Reeves movie or the Fleischer/Famous Studios cartoons).
I think maybe the issue with the Ares fight is less about power levels and more about the movie failing to escalate the threat level. She seemed to exert more effort into the earlier fights in the film, whether it was against the Germans on the beach or charging through No Man's Land or even her brief fight with General Ludendorff. But when we come to the ostensible climax against Ares, it mostly consists of Ares throwing a bunch of CGI crap at her while she serenely stands there and deflects it. Compare that to the desperation that Superman clearly felt when he had no choice but to snap General Zod's neck or the way that even multiple heroes seemed pretty overwhelmed by Doomsday & Steppenwolf. Or, to bring up some Marvel examples, Captain America & the Winter Soldier slugging it out or Spider-Man getting beaten to within an inch of his life in the Sam Raimi films. Typically, action film climaxes give us a sense that the villain is just inches away from either victory or at least killing a bunch of people until the hero stops them with Maximum Effort! The Ares fight, ironically, gives us the greatest display of power yet seemingly the least amount of effort.
Asgardians are small "g" gods.
He is in every D.C thread trashing the D.C movies while praising Marvel. If he isn't working for Disney he's certainly got a fan crush.
If by "trashing" you mean "defending the Marvel movies", then yes.
They obviously need your help, being the highest grossing franchise of all time and all...
No one brings up Marvel except you and the fanboys.
Except whenever they go on about how WW was the beginning of the end for the MCU and how Justice League was going to destroy every single movie they put out in the past, present and future.
It's one thing to say "Yeah, now the DCEU is in full swing." or "Marvel has some competition now", it's another thing to say the MCU is going to be utterly destroyed and how everything about the MCU is wrong and how only DC's way is right.
You don't see MCU fans always going on and on about how everything about DC is wrong.
Link to a SINGLE PERSON THAT HAS EVER SAID ANYTHING SIMILAR TO THAT, or we'll just assume you're making a strawman argument.
Youtube, Facebook and the old IMDB forums.
Plus anything Dales has ever said about the MCU as well.
Try this: https://www.trekbbs.com/threads/i-do-not-like-mcu-films.276544/
That thread was resolved in the very first post.
"I do not like mcu films"
"I do"
It's done.
It's been done since Justice League came out and dashed the DCEU's hopes (once again), but since WW's unexpected success the fanbase was going on and on about how it would win Oscars and how the entire MCU was trash, etc. It's subsided now, but I don't doubt it'll come back again.
Instead of a normal, "DC Movies are finally getting good again!" reaction.
You are making shit up to justify your troll-life behavior.
No, I'm just curious as to why DC fans get so fanatical instead of just being happy at the prospect of good movies.
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