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Given the fact that Wonder Woman ends shortly after the events of Batman v Superman, the next chapter of Diana's story is likely to unfold in Justice League, likely placing any sequel, if it's set in contemporary times, after that film, so I fail to see the point in somehow resurrecting Steve, especially given the fact that his death is ultimately a significant motivator in her present actions.
 
Just finished it. Restored my faith in DC films.

Fantastic film, subtle and yet brash, funny and sobering, full of human moments and still capable of CGI super mess.

I enjoyed it, and would like to see more.
 
I am not saying they will do this or even that it's a good idea. Why would Chris Pine playing a descendent of Steve need to have the same last name? He could be named Hal Jordan. It would probably confuse too many people and wrongly create an expectation of a WW and Green Lantern romance though.
 
This and Captain America are my favorite superhero movies of the last quarter century.

I mean, not counting the funny ones.

I don't think.they can bring Pine back except in flashbacks. It's not the 1970s; that kind of cheat is cheesy TV stuff.
 
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having a scene where Diane diluted her wine before drinking and Steve's reaction might have been funny.

She would not have recognized what we call "wine" as the stuff that folks in the ancient world mixed with water for good reasons.
 
Given the fact that Wonder Woman ends shortly after the events of Batman v Superman, the next chapter of Diana's story is likely to unfold in Justice League, likely placing any sequel, if it's set in contemporary times, after that film, so I fail to see the point in somehow resurrecting Steve, especially given the fact that his death is ultimately a significant motivator in her present actions.
He's fairly major character in the comics, so personally, I was expecting a lot more than one appearance from him.
This and Captain America are my favorite superhero movies of the last quarter century.

I mean, not counting the funny ones.

I don't think.they can bring Pine back except in flashbacks. It's not the 1970s; that kind of cheat is cheesy TV stuff.
We're dealing with Gods and magic here, resurrections are easy and common in these kinds of stories. Hell, this is DC so really all we need is for someone to toss his body in Lazrus Pit.
 
Great movie! Loved it!

Gal Gadot and Chris Pine stole the show. Nearly all the action scenes were well done and not as overwhelming as MOS or BvS. Plenty of humor that worked and the romance was one of the better ones in a superhero movie, just compare it to the laughable Thor/Jane romance.

I thought it was great we had such a positive hero that cared about people with Wondy. Superman and Batman have been too grimdark in the DCEU, NOT my Superman or Batman. I don't have much hope for Justice League because Patty Jenkins will have no involvement with it.

I didn't really care for the final battle or Ares reveal, but that didn't bother me that much. I also wish we had spent more time on Paradise Island... opps, I meant Themyscira. Also I was expecting the spinning transforming and I kept trying to spot Diana's young sister Wonder Girl in the island background, TV show influence I guess.

Also cool depiction of WW's powers and gear, the only live action depiction we have until now was the gloriously campy but fun 70s WW show with Lynda Carter.

I watched the animated WW movie voiced by Keri Russell and Nathan Fillion just before this new movie, and I loved that too.
 
He's fairly major character in the comics
Is he really though, beyond Diana's origin story? I'd argue Jimmy Olsen and Mercy Graves have a bigger impact on the DCU, and they're both toast already. ;)
 
I enjoyed the movie very much. But I had suspected that I would. But I don't regard "Wonder Woman" as the best film the DCEU franchise.
 
This is my favorite superhero movie in the last three years. I even got a little emotional when the WW theme hits and she goes all badass. Well done DC.
 
Hell, this is DC so really all we need is for someone to toss his body in Lazrus Pit.

Or Diana can just take a stroll to the Underworld and ask Hades for a favour, he is her uncle after all... ;)
 
He's fairly major character in the comics, so personally, I was expecting a lot more than one appearance from him.

We're dealing with Gods and magic here, resurrections are easy and common in these kinds of stories. Hell, this is DC so really all we need is for someone to toss his body in Lazrus Pit.

Doesn't make it less of a lazy cheat that damages the dramatic impact of the story. This is one of the sucky aspects of superhero comics that nail them as mediocre children's literature.
 
He's fairly major character in the comics, so personally, I was expecting a lot more than one appearance from him.

We're dealing with Gods and magic here, resurrections are easy and common in these kinds of stories. Hell, this is DC so really all we need is for someone to toss his body in Lazrus Pit.

The DCEU is not the comics. Trying to justify bringing back the character in the DCEU would not only completely undermine Diana's character and her motivations, it would completely "break" the conventions of plausibility because his body was completely incinerated in the explosion that killed him.

Or Diana can just take a stroll to the Underworld and ask Hades for a favour, he is her uncle after all... ;)

Hades, like the rest of the Olympian Gods, is himself dead (as in he doesn't exist any more) in the DCEU.
 
Wonder Woman--

Someone might call this, "Wonder Woman: The First Avenger" as it took a wealth of plot and scene set ups from Captain America: The First Avenger...but that is not such a bad thing in this case.

Quick comparison--

CA: The origin story begins and concludes during one of the great wars of the 20th century.
WW: The origin story begins and concludes during one of the great wars of the 20th century.

CA:
A young, inexperienced person seeks to enter a war as a way of stopping it, with others doubting his potential to be effective. Steve Rogers is presented as a young man with--almost--a physical revulsion of man's abuse of other men.
WW: A young, inexperienced person seeks to enter a war as a way of stopping it with others doubting her potential to be effective. Diana is presented as a young woman with--almost--a physical revulsion of man's abuse of other men.

CA: Enemy agent trying to retrieve a vial of the Super Soldier formula is attacked, ultimately committing suicide with a cyanide capsule
WW: Enemy agent trying to retrieve Dr. Poison's book is attacked, ultimately committing suicide with a cyanide capsule.

CA: The main villain--The Red Skull--repeatedly tells the hero that he's not living up to his true potential, which would include being a conqueror at his side.
WW: The main villain--Ares--repeatedly tells the heroine that she's not living up to her true potential, which would include being a conqueror at his side.

CA: Dr.Erskine--who saw Steve's true, inner good, and believed that he had the right potential to become the Super Soldier (and all that the position means for the world)--is killed by a Hydra agent. His death (and faith in Steve) adds to Steve's already morally solid resolve to do whatever he can to work toward ending the global conflict.
WW: Antiope--who saw Diana's true potential is killed by a German soldier. Her death (and faith in Diana) adds to Diana's already morally solid resolve to do whatever she can to work toward ending the global conflict.

CA: The Red Skull relies on brilliant scientist Arnim Zola to apply the Tessaract's energies to various advanced weapon designs. Though Zola has abilities that would (in theory) make him arrogant, his personality is clearly kept in a submissive position by The Red Skull. Of the two, he is the only one to survive the war.
WW: Ludendorff relies on brilliant scientist Dr. Maru / Poison to develop advanced chemical weapons. Though Maru has abilities that would (in theory) make her arrogant, her personality is clearly kept in a submissive position by Ludendorff. Of the two, she is the only one to survive the war.

Here's where main and supporting character actions are split--in Wonder Woman's case, given to the supporting character, but the events are the same:

CA: Captain America assembles a select team of racially diverse specialists with equally diverse personalities.
WW: Steve Trevor assembles a select team of racially diverse specialists with equally diverse personalities.

CA: Captain America boards The Red Skull's advanced aircraft, fights enemies (ultimately taking control of the ship). The aircraft is armed with equally advanced, Tessaract energy-based weapons of mass destruction, which the villain intends to use as part of his mission of conquest.
WW: Steve Trevor boards Ludendorff's advanced aircraft, fights enemies (ultimately taking control of the ship). The aircraft is armed with the advanced form of mustard gas, which Ludendorff intends to use as part of his mission of conquest.

CA: Captain America purposely crashes the Skull's aircraft as the only means of stopping its bombing run.
WW: Steve purposely destroys Ludendorff's aircraft as the only means of eliminating the gas bombs / bombing mission.

CA: Steve Rogers' first, real romance is with an agent--Peggy Carter--the woman he also fights alongside, but their romance is short-lived.
WW: Diana's first, real romance is with Allied spy Steve Trevor--the man she also fights alongside, but their romance is short-lived.

Although present day Cap wistfully looks back to his lost love Peggy in Captain America: The Winter Soldier (and visits the ailing, elderly Peggy), Wonder Woman's present day framing sequence of Diana and the WW1 photo places her in the same, emotional place.

Despite that wealth of clear inspiration / similarities, Wonder Woman--like The First Avenger--was a grand film that added a necessary foundation to the (partial) origins of their respective film universes, using the worst of conflicts to catapult them to hero status. Gadot carried the film on her shoulders, having to create a character (that never had much of a competent filmed inspiration to draw from) and made it--as in Dawn of Justice--her own. The one and only Wonder Woman, and the greatest filmed female comic character--all others (movies & TV) are left in the dust.

Wonder Woman now occupies another space--that of second moral pillar of the DC film universe, along with Superman. Like Captain America & the Vision in the MCU, no matter the troubles faced, or decision which might brick wall their convictions, they will never sink to the base of belief/behavior (e.g. Tony Stark on several occasions) to win at any cost. Each is so dedicated to doing what is right that they will often come into conflict with those who micromanage duty based on an advantage of some kind.

The one present day bias (from the producers or writers) creeping its way into the film was Trevor mentioning going before a judge as part of marriage process, when it can be easily argued the majority of marriages during the WW1 era (particularly for Americans--Steve's POV/rearing) were officiated by a religious figure, whether in a house of worship or elsewhere.

Despite her warrior status, the producers (wisely) never felt the need to strip Diana of her femininity as a point of self-identity, her relation to men (Trevor in particular) , or avoid behaviors certain present day critics and/or audience members would find allegedly "stereotypical", such as Diana instantly, happily drawn to the sight of a baby.

While anything is possible in a comic book movie, right now, I will miss Themyscira--it was a fascinating location with characters we barely knew, but were interesting enough to want to know more.

As reveled in the teaser, the welcome Superman the Movie tribute--Diana blocking a bullet meant for Steve in the way Clark protected Lois (city alley included) was perfect. Respect for a film that's still one of the best of all superhero productions.

DC's film universe has the right, serious tone--free of the MCU's sometimes overflowing jokiness / quips that often come at the wrong time, and with the DC Big Three now all successfully established, I can only (eagerly) look forward to Justice League--and beyond.

GRADE: A
 
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