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Spoilers Wonder Woman - Grading & Discussion

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Discussion about Zack Snyder and his first two DCEU films has relevance to the subject of Wonder Woman because of Patty Jenkins' own admissions about how connected to the latter film he actually was and because of the fact that there are parallels that can be drawn between Wonder Woman and both of his films.
 
Dream said:
The mods are suppose to steer conversions back on topic.

Not our fault they do nothing.
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$300m reached! OHHH YEEEAH!

This movie has passed Man of Steel!

Wondy is going after Suicide Squad and BvS next weekend, now on track to become the biggest DCEU film!

I can't wait for the upcoming explanations for why a Wonder Woman movie is going to make more money than a Superman solo movie and also a Batman and Superman team up movie!
 
DigificWriter said:
Discussion about Zack Snyder and his first two DCEU films has relevance to the subject of Wonder Woman because of Patty Jenkins' own admissions about how connected to the latter film he actually was and because of the fact that there are parallels that can be drawn between Wonder Woman and both of his films.
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True.
 
Dream said:
$300m reached! OHHH YEEEAH!

This movie has passed Man of Steel!

Wondy is going after Suicide Squad and BvS next weekend, now on track to become the biggest DCEU film!

I can't wait for the upcoming explanations for why a Wonder Woman movie is going to make more money than a Superman solo movie and also a Batman and Superman team up movie!
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Likely the same reasons that a movie about second tier villains on a team, nearly made as much as BvS or how a foul mouthed, fan favorite character became the highest grossing X-Men movie and highest grossing R-Rated movie of all time.
 
Wondy is going after Suicide Squad and BvS next weekend, now on track to become the biggest DCEU film!

I can't wait for the upcoming explanations for why a Wonder Woman movie is going to make more money than a Superman solo movie and also a Batman and Superman team up movie!
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WW will easily become the highest grossing DCEU movie domestically but it won't surpass BvS worldwide gross and may fall short of SS global total too. I am so happy the film has seen such success and hopefully it means more female driven blockbusters.
 
Or, hopefully, better movies in general.
Just focusing on the female part of the equation can give us Catwoman. They have to be good. Like Wonder Woman was. Or else this will just be looked at as a fluke and studios will get scared again.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
Or, hopefully, better movies in general.
Just focusing on the female part of the equation can give us Catwoman. They have to be good. Like Wonder Woman was. Or else this will just be looked at as a fluke and studios will get scared again.
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A more adapt and topical analogy would be "just focusing on the female part of the equation can give us another Ghostbusters 2016". And that movie is "Certified Fresh" on Rotten Tomatoes.
 
Interesting stats for WW, after 3 full weeks of release and 4 weekends.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/movies/?page=weekly&id=wonderwoman.htm

Summary so far:
Domestic Box = $318,380,158
Foreign Box = $334,500,000
Worldwide = $652,880,158

I found this page comparing DCEU movies even more interesting.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?id=dcuni.htm

Did you know MoS cost $76 million more than WW to make?
Or that BvsS cost $101 million more to make than WW?
Or that WW is playing on 42 to 91 fewer screens, domestically, than MoS, BvsS or SS?

Since MoS cost 76 million more to make and thus far its worldwide box office is only 16 million more than WW, in its short run WW is already much more profitable than MoS.

BvsS's worldwide box does look like a monumental task to beat at $873,260.190 vs WW's paltry $652,880,158, but since WW cost 101mil less to make we can take 101 mill off the BvsS Box to better compare profitability. That means all WW has to do is make another 121 mill to catch up with BvsS.

Of course, if you are wondering if WW has enough gas in the tank to pick up another 121 mill, this page (doesn't include the last weekend yet) is quite enlightening not to mention promising.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekly&id=dcuni.htm

WW may have lost the weekly gross battle in the first week of release, vs MoS, BvsS, & SS, but she has creamed them all ever since.

Oh... and the same can be said for the weekend box office.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/showdowns/chart/?view=weekend&id=dcuni.htm

Now... if we compared Princess DIana with those OTHER famous princesses that recently KO-ed the box office a few years ago... well, lets just say it plain and simple.

Princess Elsa and her kid sister Princess Anna would have eaten Diana for lunch. :ouch:
(Frozen made 1.2 BILLION at the box office. :beer: )
 
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Just got to see the movie yesterday and absolutely loved it. It's easily the best DCEU movie, imo, probably the best superhero origin story movie. It doesn't make me excited for JL because those trailers already look unconvincing and I hated BvS, but it does make me excited for WW2.

I think it's funny watching people argue about whether it's 'completely different' or 'the same' as the other movies WB has made recently because both claims are nonsense. This movie has almost nothing in common with BvS and certainly not with SS. But parallels to Man of Steel are blindingly obvious, to such an extent that I would argue the two movies are almost mirror images of one another (though I do believe Wonder Woman has been more competent and consistent within itself than Man of Steel was - which is why I think it's a better movie even though I also like Man of Steel).

I am also entirely unimpressed by whining about the villains being underused. I wish Superhero fans would get over their villain obsession already: not every movie that has a villain is actually about the villain. This one most definitely wasn't supposed to be, and Ludendorf and Maru filled exactly the roles they needed to fill for the story to work properly. The fact that they weren't special, that they were just random people doing bad things, was literally the entire point. And I don't know why people are so down on Ares, either. Are people seriously so lacking in imagination that they can't believe a british person would be evil, or that they just can't get past an actor having played a good guy in a different movie? And the 'boring cgi smash fest' that everyone's down on was, imo, one of the better final fights we've had in a superhero movie in quite a while. Ares' effects were good (I loved how he kept reforming his swords), his costume was great, the emotional climax contained within the temptation of Diana was perfect and her rejection of his philosophy and discovery of her full power was fantastic.

This wasn't a perfect movie - none of them are, really (and by that, I mean all movies). I didn't care for the modern day bookends, I could've gone for a little more balanced view of the war and a little more time with Ares, I still find that one action shot of Wonder Woman's stomach kind of weird, and I agree that hanging the story on the Armistice instead of the earlier days of the war was a strange choice. But it was the most fun I've had at the theater since Civil War, and it's easily in my top 10 superhero movies. Maybe top 5, though I haven't yet fully thought that ranking through. A+
 
Saw this for the first time last night, it was outstanding ! The best DCEU movie for certain.
I've been looking forward to the JL movie because I think it could be a pivot in the DCEU ; by the end of the BvS movie Batman has become much more hopeful, Wonder Woman comes across as positive and she seems to believe in humanity ; Superman could come back to life with a more optimistic outlook .. maybe ? Maybe we don't even need that, Wonder Woman / Batman can be the Captain America/ Iron Man type leaders of the JL.

Two small things I didn't quite understand;
Why did Wonder Woman's mom lie about her birth ? Why did they have / need the fake Godkiller sword ?
If her goal was to keep Diana from ever going off to fight Ares, just don't tell her anything at all about Ares or a story about the sword.
Even if she knew she was the daughter of Zeus, the idea of 'Only a god can kill a God' wasn't presented as basic knowledge among the Amazon's , that information came from Ares.
tiny insignificant questions that didn't impact my enjoyment, just things I thought of after.

Gave it an A , wonderful movie. WW is my favorite DC hero for sure, going to order some comics to read next :)
-Kytee
 
Do I regard "Wonder Woman" as the best DCEU movie? Not really. Actually, I can't decide whether it's better than "Man of Steel" or if the 2013 movie is better. Right now, both are at a tie for me.
 
Worldwide earnings of DC films as of 6/27/17:

Man of Steel: $668,045,518
Batman v. Superman - Dawn of Justice: $873,260,194
Suicide Squad: $745,600,054
Wonder Woman: $656,978,658

So Justice League has Dawn of Justice's rather massive $873,260,194 to pass. Tall order, but that film (from what one can tell from trailers and script samples) could do that and more, since all of the right pieces are in place in this DC film universe.
 
The good will from Wonder Woman alone is going to help Justice League tremendously, although if JL is just more of the same Snyder stuff then the good will from WW might actually hurt it by word of mouth/reviews when it comes to post 1st weekend ticket sales. Just being called JL is almost certainly enough to make it profitable, but BvS proved that big characters don't equal instant Marvel success if a movie gets really bad reviews/word of mouth (that movie could have been a billion dollar movie and I'm sure WB expected it to be).
 
A little late to the party, but having finally seen WW, I have to say that the film is a resounding success. Not only is it easily one of the best superhero movies I've seen ... it's one of the best movies I've seen, full stop. I can't honestly think of a serious criticism at the moment.

Even better? This was the first "superhero" movie my daughter has seen in the theater. How cool is that?
 
LJones41 said:
Do I regard "Wonder Woman" as the best DCEU movie? Not really. Actually, I can't decide whether it's better than "Man of Steel" or if the 2013 movie is better. Right now, both are at a tie for me.
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I am in a similar boat, I really enjoyed Wonder Woman and I also love Man of Steel and will probably need a 2nd viewing on WW to decide which is better. I love Origin stories so both have that going for them though I feel MoS spent more time on Superman's origins than WW did. WW does has a charm and wit that MoS lacks, while still remaining serious enough for the time of history its examining.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Worldwide earnings of DC films as of 6/27/17:

Man of Steel: $668,045,518
Batman v. Superman - Dawn of Justice: $873,260,194
Suicide Squad: $745,600,054
Wonder Woman: $656,978,658

So Justice League has Dawn of Justice's rather massive $873,260,194 to pass. Tall order, but that film (from what one can tell from trailers and script samples) could do that and more, since all of the right pieces are in place in this DC film universe.
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Also worth keeping in mind that Wonder Woman's budget was about 100M *less* than BvS and BvS's ad buy was something like ten times that of WW (30M million vs. WW's 3M if I remember the numbers right.)
So in terms of profitability, WW is already way ahead of the curve.
 
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