Woman banned from EVERY bar in the UK (with picture)

[Hugo Rune]

Glad to hear it. Admittedly, gods knows how this is meant to be inforced nationwide, but statistically most people drink in and around the areas they live, so if the Licensing Officer of this womans borough/constabulary is up to scratch she shouldn't be able to get a drink in her town on her own.

Doesn't of course stop her standing outside an off-license with the rest of the kids asking the street drunks to buy her "a couple of WKD's"

The only way to enforce this would be to make it illegal to also facilitate her drinking - i.e. a fine to be slapped on any pub/club/off-license caught letting her in/selling to her, or any person purchasing alcohol on her behalf. The former is doable, the latter... not so much.

DBO's are actually VERY hard to get solely because of the volume of evidence required to meet the criterion set down by the stipendiary magistrates. A LOT of work would have gone into slapping this woman with the DBO, based on what I can only imagine as being a huge amount of substantial criminal evidence (tickets, time spent in cells, Anti Social Behaviour Logs). I mean, she had an ASBO to begin with based on her actions perpetuated under the influence of alcohol... she's been a problem for a long while it would seem.

The sad truth is, given how many separate offences under Public Order and other criminal Acts this woman must have committed I fear the only way to deal with her would be to give her the harshest sentence possible - 6 months in prison.

This woman WILL continue to drink, and people WILL facilitate her and I have no doubt in my mind she WILL come to police notice again for her alcohol-fuelled behaviour. And if the police can trace the evidence, hopefully she will be arrested, charged and convicted of a breach of he DBO and she can go inside - and dry the hell out!

These days I find that on student nights and weekends I report as many assaults committed by women as men. Faireer sex... my ample arse


Hugo

 

[Trekker4747]

She can drink at my bar!




Trekker, I'm talking about my cock.

 

[TheGodBen]

Urgh, she's far too loutish. I wouldn't let her anywhere near Big Ben. (Yes, the clock tower, that's exactly what I'm talking about.)

 

[Trekker4747]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

 

[Hugo Rune]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

Anyone whom on multiple occasions impacts negatively upon the general public around them SHOULD have someone impinging on their rights and freedoms. To get picked up by a Licensing Sergeant for these kind of offences she will have likely been arrested a fair number of times for drunk and disorderly and other public order offences.

Pretty sad and pathetic really. She needs intervention, and sometimes referral orders, suspended sentences and the like simply aren't enough. Sometimes you need some decent intrusive intervention.

As I said before, she already has an Anti Social Behaviour Order, and to gain one of those you require a MINIMUM of 10 pieces of supporting evidence ranging from witness statements of her behaviour to arrest figures, to further gain a DBO I can only imagine how many times she has breached that ASBO since its creation.

I've read that most of the licensees of Pubs/Clubs are very Pro-DBO, but they need to be monitored properly, and according to the net-magazing The Publican, no pubs/clubs in this womans home town have been issued with her DBO so they can refuse her entry.

As I said, put her inside for a bit so she can dry out.


Hugo - hardliner on drink-fuelled violence

 

[Aragorn]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

But on the flip side the USA is extremely lax on drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter while drunk isn't that big of a deal (see: Leonard Little). I saw on the news that someone had like 20 DUIs before the court decided to take action on him.

 

[Trekker4747]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

But on the flip side the USA is extremely lax on drunk driving and vehicular manslaughter while drunk isn't that big of a deal (see: Leonard Little). I saw on the news that someone had like 20 DUIs before the court decided to take action on him.

I don't disagree, our DUI laws are far too lax.

 

[OdoWanKenobi]

Hmm, I'm not sure whether she should be ashamed or proud. I mean every bar in the country is quite an accomplishment.

 

[scotpens]

Real mature. This women obviously has a serious drinking problem and is an example of the rising binge drinking among woman.

Woman? Doesn't the problem involve more than one, BREW?

Yeah, that chick must drink like a fish!

 

[Deckerd]

Faireer sex... my ample arse

What does that have to do with anything you said beforehand? I was nodding in agreement up until this.

 

[TheBrew]

Woman? Doesn't the problem involve more than one, BREW?

Dunno, I guess if you keep getting busted for your drunken behavior it makes sense...

Obvious spelling mistake is obvious.

 

[Servo]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

Maybe you live in a country where it's perfectly acceptable to be a loud, drunken, violent, loutish wanker, but fortunately, we don't.

As has been pointed out, anyone is free to be all those things in the comfort of their own home. As soon as you start subjecting other people to that kind of behaviour, then you're in the wrong, and you deserve to be reprimanded.

Feel free to make some off-base generalisation about the UK "controlling people's lives" again, but I'd rather live in a country where antisocial behaviour is discouraged and punished.

 

[John Picard]

You know, there are times when I almost consider the UK to be fairly progressive when it comes to individual rights and freedoms, with exception, and then stories like this come out and make me wonder what it is they're thinking in controling people's lives so much.

Maybe you live in a country where it's perfectly acceptable to be a loud, drunken, violent, loutish wanker, but fortunately, we don't.

As has been pointed out, anyone is free to be all those things in the comfort of their own home. As soon as you start subjecting other people to that kind of behaviour, then you're in the wrong, and you deserve to be reprimanded.

Feel free to make some off-base generalisation about the UK "controlling people's lives" again, but I'd rather live in a country where antisocial behaviour is discouraged and punished.

I don't worship Star Trek here like most people; however, this woman is a key example of the Vulcan proverb, which states: "The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one."


Society should not have to tolerate the antics of one inconsiderate lout.

 

[Trekker4747]

One of the greatest concepts Star Trek taught us we learn in Star Trek III. That the needs of the one can out weigh the needs of the many.

We are individuals and collectively we're a "one" and not a many. That government can tell this woman "you can't drink" isn't an infringement on her rights but an infringement on the rights of all Britons. I am not trying to argue that this woman has any "right" to be a drunken lout in the UK, here, or anywhere insofar as disturbing other's night out, but that she has a right to be a drunken lout if she wants to be. If she's disturbing others in being that way, fine, arrest her for public intoxication, let the bar kick her out but to deny her the "right" to drink is absurd.

And to be fair and clear, I'm not saying the regulations and laws in the US are any better and if all of the bars in the UK as private businesses want to ban her that's fine. But to have government tell her what she can and can't do just because she's an ass when she's drunken is stepping outside the boundaries of what I think government should be and do.

Drunken people can be, and often are, loud assholes. So is the UK going to ban everyone who likes to drink from all of their bars?

 

[John Picard]

One of the greatest concepts Star Trek taught us we learn in Star Trek III. That the needs of the one can out weigh the needs of the many.

We are individuals and collectively we're a "one" and not a many. That government can tell this woman "you can't drink" isn't an infringement on her rights but an infringement on the rights of all Britons. I am not trying to argue that this woman has any "right" to be a drunken lout in the UK, here, or anywhere insofar as disturbing other's night out, but that she has a right to be a drunken lout if she wants to be. If she's disturbing others in being that way, fine, arrest her for public intoxication, let the bar kick her out but to deny her the "right" to drink is absurd.

And to be fair and clear, I'm not saying the regulations and laws in the US are any better and if all of the bars in the UK as private businesses want to ban her that's fine. But to have government tell her what she can and can't do just because she's an ass when she's drunken is stepping outside the boundaries of what I think government should be and do.

Drunken people can be, and often are, loud assholes. So is the UK going to ban everyone who likes to drink from all of their bars?

At what point is the Government responsible? She gets drunk in a bar, goes out and directly (drunk driving), or indirectly (stumbles into the street causing a vehicle to swerve so as not to hit her but it ends up hitting personal property or killing someone) causing injury or death. Having been cited repeatedly in the past, some people will scream that the Government, which is charged with protecting the public at large, should have done something.

Didn't you have have "that one kid in school"? The one who caused or was involved in so much trouble that eventually school officials and teachers had to make special rules just for him, because his actions were eventually leading to destructive results. It's the same thing.

 

[Servo]

We are individuals and collectively we're a "one" and not a many. That government can tell this woman "you can't drink" isn't an infringement on her rights but an infringement on the rights of all Britons. I am not trying to argue that this woman has any "right" to be a drunken lout in the UK, here, or anywhere insofar as disturbing other's night out, but that she has a right to be a drunken lout if she wants to be. If she's disturbing others in being that way, fine, arrest her for public intoxication, let the bar kick her out but to deny her the "right" to drink is absurd.

Why is it absurd? If she can't act responsibly enough to go out for a drink without getting arrested for Drunk and Disorderly, and therby ruining the night for the people around her, then she doesn't deserve the "right" to drink in public.
And what exactly do you propose the solution is when someone has been arrested on multiple occasions, and doesn't seem to get the point that the behaviour they are constantly demonstrating is unacceptable? Waste taxpayers money by sending them to jail?

And to be fair and clear, I'm not saying the regulations and laws in the US are any better and if all of the bars in the UK as private businesses want to ban her that's fine. But to have government tell her what she can and can't do just because she's an ass when she's drunken is stepping outside the boundaries of what I think government should be and do.

If she was an alcoholic who sat in her house and drank herself to death without bothering anyone, then I'd agree. However, she has demonstrated that she can't be trusted to go out for a drink without causing trouble. As I said, once she subjects other citizens to her loutish behaviour, then it is the job of the authorities to step in. If you think that's a rights infringement, then so be it. I'd rather put up with one American complaining on an internet message board, than one drunken idiot threatening the rights of everyone else who wants to go out for a drink without the threat of verbal or physical abuse.

Drunken people can be, and often are, loud assholes. So is the UK going to ban everyone who likes to drink from all of their bars?

If you are constantly getting arrested for being a drunken twat, then yes, you should be prohibited from drinking in public. Most people can be drunk and loud without spilling over into violent or abusive behaviour.

 

[Trekker4747]

Government can't, and shouldn't, be used to be everyone's mommies and daddies and protect us from the big bad world. Drunk Driving is illegal, making it "more" illegal isn't going to change that. Restraining this woman from drinking isn't going to stop her from getting drunk and then driving all it's doing is just "playing mommy" to make people "feel better."

"Oh, the government won't let her drink, so now we're safe from her driving or causing a car to swerve! Government protects us all!"

The real-world doesn't work like that.

I'm not advocating against laws for public intoxication or DUIs, I'm simply saying government can't protect everyone from everyone else. I suspect that, much like in the US, there's enough laws on the books to prevent this woman from causing harm to anyone while drunk if the police, bobbies, or whatever you call them over there are doing their jobs. If she's out drunk and stumbling around making a ruckus I suspect she's already breaking some laws (she would likely be in many areas here) what's adding another charge on her going to accomplish when she's caught?

 

[Deckerd]

And to be fair and clear, I'm not saying the regulations and laws in the US are any better

Oh I think you made it perfectly clear they were. Explicitly so that the UK government is interfering with private lives.

 

[Roger Wilco]

That asbo-thing is super-strange though. I understand why it's being done, but really, it looks extremely 1984ish to a foreigner.

 

[John Picard]

Government can't, and shouldn't, be used to be everyone's mommies and daddies and protect us from the big bad world.

So says an Obama voter