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Wolf 359...Who Survived?

Quite. We don't see 40 ships, we only see something like a dozen in the two episodes combined. So we have to rationalize a bit.

In other words, using Picards knowledge of Starfleet tactics and abilities, the Borg are dropping out of warp to the rear or on the flank of the Starfleet force catching them by surprise.

Umm, how could the force have a flank or a rear?

The whole setup calls for some careful explaining. For some reason, Starfleet thinks the Borg will pass through the Wolf 359 region. Why is that? Because it's on the exact beeline between Jouret and Earth, and the Borg are known for following beelines?

Okay, let's accept that. Starfleet would then have to position on that beeline. How wide is it? Half a lightyear? Two-three lightmonths? It can't be much narrower than that, I guess.

Let's settle for a lightmonth or so. How does Starfleet intend to stop the Cube? By shooting at it until the warp field is disrupted? That has often worked against all sorts of targets, so say they try it again. But one ship hasn't managed to do much in the recent engagements. How to concentrate firepower?

There'd seem to be three options. Spread out the 40-50 ships evenly across a disk measuring a lightmonth across, with orders to converge on the eventually observed approach path of the Cube; or form ship clusters of supposed decisive size, and then spread those out; or concentrate the entire force for maximum effect, and wait for it in the middle of the disk. In each case, it would take lots of warp maneuvering to move the ships to where the Cube is before the battle could ensue for good.

None of these cases would feature a formation with a "flank" or a "rear": all of the battleground, indeed all of the universe, would be "flank" or "rear" to the Starfleet side, and all of it would be "center" to the Borg side. And in all but the last case, the battle would indeed start with less than 40 ships engaging the Borg.

Was the Cube forced out of warp, perhaps moments before the "Emissary" camera cut in? Perhaps Starfleet had prepared for doing so, but Locutus decided to engage in impulse battle all on his own, and Starfleet did not have to do any firing before the cameras started to roll. The interception formations would still stand, and would in the first two cases match what we saw: a handful of ships within range.

Alternately, we could be looking at the third case, and the handful of ships is what was left after the majority had been expended in forcing the Cube out of warp.

The dialogue as such doesn't establish things one way or the other. Even though writer intent apparently was for the DS9 episode to show the very first shots of the battle, and the VFX people were initially intent on showing the middle of the fight but then changed that for the beginning of the fight, none of this really shows up on screen. Say, there could be massive wreckage there from the already performed warp intercept, only spread out so that it wasn't visible.

Timo Saloniemi
 
^Interesting thoughts indeed.

Of course another question springs to mind.

The Borg cube picks off and effectively destroys both the Excelsior class U.S.S. Melbourne and an Oberth class ship (seen through the windows of Siskos quarters)....in a matter of seconds.

What rationale is there for the Borg to leave the Saratoga severely damaged but intact for so long? Long enough for the surviving crew to evacuate.

For that matter, the dialogue indicates that the Saratoga is destroyed from a warp core breach.

BUT.

As the lifeboats are speeding away from the Saratoga, Sisko looks out the viewport at the stricken starship.

The effects shot clearly shows the Saratoga being struck by a SECOND cutting beam attack, which blows the ship away.

So, the Borg smashed the Melbourne in seconds.

Then they snared the Saratoga with a tractor beam.

Then they used the cutting beam on Saratoga that severely damaged the ship.

Then they held the Saratoga in the tractor beam for some four minutes while the crew bailed out.

THEN they attacked the Saratoga again and destroyed it entirely.

To me after the Melbourne was destroyed, the Saratoga should've suffered a similiar attack that left it drifting with the warp core about to breach.

The crew bails out as in the original episode.

The Saratoga blows up with no further assistance from the Borg.
 
Note, the only possible explanation is that the Borg hoped to board the Saratoga and take prisoners for assimilation, but were unable to due to the continuing attacks by other starships.

When it became apparent to the Borg that the Saratoga survivors had escaped, the finished off the ship.

I started a short story once for the Strange New Worlds contest called "I am Jennifer" that was about Jennifer Sisko being captured by the Borg (she wasn't completely dead aboard the Saratoga, the Bolian tac officer misread his tricorder in my story) .
 
Perhaps this might be on another thread someplace,but one ship survived the Borg.Who was it,and why didn't the Enterprise aid them when they arrived at the scene?

I did..I actually got a T-shirt made..I SURVIVED WOLF 359!!!

Actually, I don't know why they didn't save anyone. Perhaps they were all dead. Sisko got away while the Borg were still there. Maybe everyone was rescued, or dead, by the time Riker and company showed up..

Rob
 
Perhaps this might be on another thread someplace,but one ship survived the Borg.Who was it,and why didn't the Enterprise aid them when they arrived at the scene?

I did..I actually got a T-shirt made..I SURVIVED WOLF 359!!!

Actually, I don't know why they didn't save anyone. Perhaps they were all dead. Sisko got away while the Borg were still there. Maybe everyone was rescued, or dead, by the time Riker and company showed up..

Rob

When the Enterprise passes through the Wolf 359 system, the sensors report no lifesigns whatsoever. Since "Emissary" indicates that Wolf 359 did have survivors, the logical inference is that rescue ships moved in and rescued the survivors sometime between the cube's moving off and the Enterprise's arrival.
 
Perhaps this might be on another thread someplace,but one ship survived the Borg.Who was it,and why didn't the Enterprise aid them when they arrived at the scene?

I did..I actually got a T-shirt made..I SURVIVED WOLF 359!!!

Actually, I don't know why they didn't save anyone. Perhaps they were all dead. Sisko got away while the Borg were still there. Maybe everyone was rescued, or dead, by the time Riker and company showed up..

Rob

When the Enterprise passes through the Wolf 359 system, the sensors report no lifesigns whatsoever. Since "Emissary" indicates that Wolf 359 did have survivors, the logical inference is that rescue ships moved in and rescued the survivors sometime between the cube's moving off and the Enterprise's arrival.


Yep...I see it that way too...and for all we know, there may not have been that many left alive...

Rob
 
I remember a t shirt at a convention.

"I Survived Wolf-359 and all I got was this lousy t shirt"

"Oh, and this implant...."
 
I know of one survivor at least.

Somehow, Riley Frazier, a science officer on the USS Roosevelt was at Wolf 359 where she was assimilated. Somehow, she made it back to the Delta Quadrant to show up in the Voyager episode "Unity" even though that cube blew up at Earth.

Great writing.
 
I always thought the Enterprise was the 40th ship, but it never made it to the battle. The 39 ships destroyed were all the ships to make it to the battle.
 
Remember Admiral Hansen saying the Klingons were sending ships to jpin the Federation fleet at Wolf 359, they arrived to late to join the battle but they picked up the survivors, otherwise the Enterprise-D would've searched for any lifeboats and picked them up.

James
 
Perhaps this might be on another thread someplace,but one ship survived the Borg.Who was it,and why didn't the Enterprise aid them when they arrived at the scene?

I did..I actually got a T-shirt made..I SURVIVED WOLF 359!!!

Actually, I don't know why they didn't save anyone. Perhaps they were all dead. Sisko got away while the Borg were still there. Maybe everyone was rescued, or dead, by the time Riker and company showed up..

Rob

They took the 11,000 "I Kicked Cube-shaped Borg Ass At Wolf 351" and crossed the first bit off and magic-marker'd in "I SURVIVED" :D
 
Perhaps this might be on another thread someplace,but one ship survived the Borg.Who was it,and why didn't the Enterprise aid them when they arrived at the scene?

I did..I actually got a T-shirt made..I SURVIVED WOLF 359!!!

Actually, I don't know why they didn't save anyone. Perhaps they were all dead. Sisko got away while the Borg were still there. Maybe everyone was rescued, or dead, by the time Riker and company showed up..

Rob

When the Enterprise passes through the Wolf 359 system, the sensors report no lifesigns whatsoever. Since "Emissary" indicates that Wolf 359 did have survivors, the logical inference is that rescue ships moved in and rescued the survivors sometime between the cube's moving off and the Enterprise's arrival.

That's been my line of thought as well since "Emissary". Either the Klingons swooped in and scooped up the pods, or some other Starfleet ships lagging behind the rest of the fleet got there too late for anything but rescue ops.

I also subscribe to a running fire fight for Wolf 359: The fleet intercepts them on the far side of the system and is basically driven back in a shooting retreat/last ditch defense as the Borg move on towards Earth. Scattering the battlefield and the area of survivors. Meaning that the cloud of ships the 1701-D cruised through could have been one of several such packs of destroyed ships.
 
I know of one survivor at least.

Somehow, Riley Frazier, a science officer on the USS Roosevelt was at Wolf 359 where she was assimilated. Somehow, she made it back to the Delta Quadrant to show up in the Voyager episode "Unity" even though that cube blew up at Earth.

Great writing.

The Borg Cube had slipstream technology and could've bypassed the Starfleet cordon at Wolf 359, yet didn't, so harvested the Starfleet formation instead - captives could've been sent back to the Delta Quadrant either by smaller ships dispatched from the mother cube or Starfleet vessels taken over by Borg drones.
 
I know of one survivor at least.

Somehow, Riley Frazier, a science officer on the USS Roosevelt was at Wolf 359 where she was assimilated. Somehow, she made it back to the Delta Quadrant to show up in the Voyager episode "Unity" even though that cube blew up at Earth.

Great writing.

The Borg Cube had slipstream technology and could've bypassed the Starfleet cordon at Wolf 359, yet didn't, so harvested the Starfleet formation instead - captives could've been sent back to the Delta Quadrant either by smaller ships dispatched from the mother cube or Starfleet vessels taken over by Borg drones.
Now that would have been interesting to see in Voyager.

A Excelsior class, or Ambassador class partially assimilated by the Borg crewed by a Crew of the "damned": a crew of assimilated and partially assimilated crew trying to make their way back to Federation space.
 
Remember the Voyager episode where the starship Voyager was just about tractor beamed inside a Borg cube, or was it a sphere? I'll bet that's what happened to the Roosevelt.

James
 
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