Norrin Radd
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And if so, how can Star Wars respond?
With the new movie, is Star Trek now "cooler" than Star Wars?
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If the movie is good, then yes.
I don't think they'd bother. The franchise is still a big seller and always will be.
I don't think Star Trek will ever be "cooler" than Star Wars. It just seems as such now because it's the flavor of the month. And really, ST09 is cooler, as a franchise whole, there's not comparison.
Also, Star Wars is kind of in a middle of a bad streak. It made a bit of a comeback with Sith, but that crappy ass animated movie, the sub-par cartoon, and a recent string of mediocre novels haven't helped its cause much.
Really, if Lucas wants to something right, he should think about doing something with the Old Republic. It's really popular right now. There are a lot of popular characters and Revan has become a fan favorite--probably the most popular (and frankly, best) Sith of the Eu. I think using it as the setting for the TV series would have been the best bet.
But even an animated film could have potential. There was nothing wrong with the animation aspect of the Clone Wars movie or the cartoon. The problem is:
A) It's hard to care.
B) They detract so much from the PT.
The thing that makes the Old Republic so attractive is its total non relation to the feature films.
Also, Star Wars is kind of in a middle of a bad streak. It made a bit of a comeback with Sith, but that crappy ass animated movie, the sub-par cartoon, and a recent string of mediocre novels haven't helped its cause much.
Really, if Lucas wants to something right, he should think about doing something with the Old Republic. It's really popular right now. There are a lot of popular characters and Revan has become a fan favorite--probably the most popular (and frankly, best) Sith of the Eu. I think using it as the setting for the TV series would have been the best bet.
But even an animated film could have potential. There was nothing wrong with the animation aspect of the Clone Wars movie or the cartoon. The problem is:
A) It's hard to care.
B) They detract so much from the PT.
The thing that makes the Old Republic so attractive is its total non relation to the feature films.
Hopefully
George Lucas will buy the franchise from Paramount. He'll first start with the movies, and alter the original films and change Klingons in Ewoks and Romulans into Gungans. He'll later move onto the TV shows, but only after 15 years or so of talking about his plans for the various shows (TOS, TNG, DS9, ENT)... (Why was VOY not mentioned, well even Lucas won't touch that steaming pile...).
He won't stop with just Ewoks and Gungans however, oh no! Remember the scene in TSFS, on the Genesis planet, where Kirk and crew surprise the lone Klingon (now Ewok) guarding Spock and Saavik. In the original, Kirk shoots before the Kling... Ewok has a chance to do anything. Now the Ewok will shoot first (with a slingshot mind you).
TMP will be remade to introduce Khan, as a young boy, unhappy that his mom (or dad... take your pick) was killed.
Star Wars is even more desperately in need of a revitalization than Star Trek but as long as George Lucas cannot be given the boot (privately held corporation means no shareholders to answer to, or board to fire him, and financial success means that he wouldn't be fired in any case), I sadly think that is impossible.
Too bad because I think Star Wars has a lot of potential and I'd love to see a return to the approach that made the OT so much fun. I'd also be up for a recasting of Luke, Leia and Han, and a storyline that takes off right where ROTJ left off, following the novels or otherwise.
Maybe we should get Hugo Reyes on the job; after all, he did write the screenplay for the best of the Star Wars movies.
Too bad because I think Star Wars has a lot of potential and I'd love to see a return to the approach that made the OT so much fun. I'd also be up for a recasting of Luke, Leia and Han, and a storyline that takes off right where ROTJ left off, following the novels or otherwise.
Maybe we should get Hugo Reyes on the job; after all, he did write the screenplay for the best of the Star Wars movies.
No
As for the average person Star Wars was something you enjoyed as a kid. Wheras Star Trek is and always will be for geeks. Simple
The movie may get rave reviews but it's not gonna change that. I was flicking through The Sun the other day, and the film "critic" had an article on the new movie re: the British premiere.
It said something along the lines of "now I've heard the new movie is good, but I'm not gonna sit in a room with a bunch of anorak-wearing geeks for 2 hours, so I sent my friend/colleague along for me..."
Then the rest of the article is written by the other guy. Now he said it was great, but still... the movie reviewer for the paper didn't even want to watch it!
Granted of course this is the shitrag Sun, and it and all its readers are scum. But still, it shows the perception of Star Trek a lot of the general public has
As for the average person Star Wars was something you enjoyed as a kid. Wheras Star Trek is and always will be for geeks. Simple
The movie may get rave reviews but it's not gonna change that. I was flicking through The Sun the other day, and the film "critic" had an article on the new movie re: the British premiere.
It said something along the lines of "now I've heard the new movie is good, but I'm not gonna sit in a room with a bunch of anorak-wearing geeks for 2 hours, so I sent my friend/colleague along for me..."
Then the rest of the article is written by the other guy. Now he said it was great, but still... the movie reviewer for the paper didn't even want to watch it!
Granted of course this is the shitrag Sun, and it and all its readers are scum. But still, it shows the perception of Star Trek a lot of the general public has
i never got why star wars was "cooler" than star trek. doesn't make sense to me. more frustrating, yes i can understand, but not cooler. i just don't get the fascination with a bunch of powerful people who allowed themselves to be defeated and let evil reign across the galaxy because they were unwilling to dirty themselves by using their powers fully to defeat that which they ended up letting take over the galaxy anyway. that's like feeling sorry for a pedestrian who got hit because he walked through flowing traffic and not even bothering once to try and run. what am i not getting about the basic idea of star wars?
Well, for one the aliens actually look like aliens. Not just just guest stars with clay bumps on their heads. The social attitudes I especially like. In Star Trek, everyone is always like "ooooh! ahhhhhh! Aliens! Lets talk for an hour about our social and cultural differences and show you how ours is better." In Star Wars a human sees a Twi Lek and he's like "'Sup Dwayne."
Star Wars is White Knights and Black Knights in Space, blowing shit up with magic and dogfights, all in a Sergio Leone Western. Nothing Star Trek has ever done will top that in terms of geek cred.
The Original Star Wars was also one of the most important films ever made in terms of just movie making. None of the Trek movies have ever achieved that.
I may have just died laughing.
Actually, for a lot of people, I'd say it's the other way around. I have been enjoying the CW series more than I enjoyed the PT.
It's people like you that make me go
???I don't get the Wars/Trek rivalry. They've both had their good and bad moments. Personally, I think Star Wars has 3 great movies, 3 bad movies and I haven't even bothered to see any of the animated stuff. Star Trek has 3 great tv series, 2 medicore/bad tv series and maybe 5 good movies and hopefully a sixth out of 11.
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Star Wars isn't "cool" either. It's epic, though. The continued proliferation of the franchise through the EU and more significantly the various television series threatens that, but Lucas could likely squeeze out a third trilogy without the house of cards collapsing to reveal the nerdery within.
Uh...no. Star Wars is still a money-making machine. Every new hardcover hits high up on the New York Times Bestseller list (in spite of the fact that the last couple of series have been disappointing). Star Trek wishes it could sell even a tenth of the toys, video games, and other merchandise that Star Wars continues to sell (okay, that might be a slight exaggeration
). The prequels may have been overall creative failures, but they all still made more money than any Trek film has (though I think the new one has a shot at beating AOTC, which "only" grossed $302 million), and kids (their primary target audience) loved them.Star Wars has a popular new animated show going on Cartoon Network, and a live action TV series is in the works (though that one is taking forever
). A new MMORPG set in the Old Republic era is currently in development by BioWare, one of the premiere RPG developers--and while I seriously doubt it will become as big as WoW, hopefully it will wipe away every last memory of the regrettable Star Wars Galaxies. Its comic book line continues to do well, with the series Star Wars: Legacy and Star Wars: Knights of the Old Republic both hitting very strong notes, from a creative standpoint.So, no, Star Wars is not in nearly as bad a shape as Star Trek was. Hopefully, Abrams' new take on Trek will successfully restore some life to it.
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With Emo Kirk and the Daygloprise??? It's not even cooler than Jar-jar!
By pointing and laughing and continuing to rake in obcene profits.
Personally what keeps me slightly more rooted in the Star Wars camp is that they created this whole 'lived in' Universe to explore. For some reason, even with the OT I got the sense of this vibrant galaxy (and big props to the "s'up Dwayne" comment ).
Trek just seems like this series of locations. They are so ship bound you rarely get the crowded street scenes or the lives of the ordinary people intersecting with the heroes for a fleeting moment. I guess that on some level Trek just feels like a bunch of people on stage rather than part of a lived in 'verse. Firefly also has this vibe, even Farscape got it. The 'gates and Trek very much less so.
And on a kind of side note, given some of the obvious effort in the cinematography of the scenes in the CW cartoon, there have been many moments I wished that those scenes had made it into the movie. I was a big doubter after seeing the movie, but I have to admit that CW cartoon was a very pleasant surprise.
). Trek just seems like this series of locations. They are so ship bound you rarely get the crowded street scenes or the lives of the ordinary people intersecting with the heroes for a fleeting moment. I guess that on some level Trek just feels like a bunch of people on stage rather than part of a lived in 'verse. Firefly also has this vibe, even Farscape got it. The 'gates and Trek very much less so.
And on a kind of side note, given some of the obvious effort in the cinematography of the scenes in the CW cartoon, there have been many moments I wished that those scenes had made it into the movie. I was a big doubter after seeing the movie, but I have to admit that CW cartoon was a very pleasant surprise.
I don't know, I mean I think it was cool to likethe original series of films, the older trilogy. Seems like a degree of geekiness has creeped into the prequel era now given some of the kiddie camp Lucas dropped into the mix. Beginning for the most part with Return wayback in 83, but then the ewoks were not the norm for the series.
I think that is the reboot of Trek is what it appears to be we might be um..well Hipper? Maybe not cooler but we may have a degree more of an edge over the prequels
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I think that is the reboot of Trek is what it appears to be we might be um..well Hipper? Maybe not cooler but we may have a degree more of an edge over the prequels
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