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What do you think, was Winn Adami (brillantly played by Louise Fletcher) evil or just naive and blinded?
Or do you think it's more complicated?
Personally I never liked or trusted her...
 
I think Winn's the product of her experiences.

She was probably always somewhat of a narcissist, and perhaps that colored her reasons for doing some of the good things she did, but I'd also like to believe that she did have a genuine belief in the Prophets, at least when she was younger, and that unfortunately their refusal to speak to her just fueled her worst traits.

I don't even think it's probably that uncommon for deeply religious figures to become embittered if/when they start to wonder 'what it's all for' when they've dedicated a significant portion of their life to their religion and ultimately feel they don't have much to show for it. But most individuals like that probably don't rise to the position of Space Pope either.

I'd like to think that if she hadn't died in the Fire Caves that she might have spent the rest of her life genuinely trying to make amends for her actions. At least when she initially becomes aware that the 'Prophets' she thinks are speaking with her are actually the Pah Wraiths she does seem genuinely horrified by it, and there is a part of me that wonders whether there was a moment when she could have been brought around if Kira had been a bit more velvet glove and a bit less iron fist.
 
Selfish, mostly, which often resulted in what I'd call 'petty evil'. Not the 'grand evil' the hatred of the Pah' Wraiths showed (or in some cases, Dukat), which probably is why she was so appalled near the very end in the fire caves when she realised what she had help unleash.
 
Yet, when Kira suggested it, she chose not to step down as Kai, with that as the first step toward redemption. She would rather have power than the prophets' forgiveness. And so she did, for a little while.

Like I said, I don't think Kira approached it optimally, which could have made a difference.
 
I think Winn's the product of her experiences.
I'm not sure that's true. I always felt the show implied she was always inherently flawed and evil.

The fact it's revealed the Prophets refuse to speak to her. That no matter how hard she tried, she could never experience a vision from them, seemed to be a confirmation that they saw nothing in her that was redeemable and capable of changing.
 
Evil. Her actions in "In the Hands of the Prophets" make that clear.

To use the color analogy, maybe she wasn't pure black, but I think she was a very dark gray.

It was a brilliant move to have her played by Nurse Ratched... Louise Fletcher filled her with sweet poison.
 
I'm not sure that's true. I always felt the show implied she was always inherently flawed and evil.

The fact it's revealed the Prophets refuse to speak to her. That no matter how hard she tried, she could never experience a vision from them, seemed to be a confirmation that they saw nothing in her that was redeemable and capable of changing.

We never really get enough of her backstory, or enough of a sense of how many Bajorans the Prophets choose to speak to (I always got the sense it was ultimately a pretty small number; I'm assuming that's not because all the other Bajorans are "inherently flawed and evil") to say for sure.

Of course, with the Prophets' initially limited understanding of linear time, they might have always perceived Winn as the person she would become...and they mght have even chosen not to appear to her because they knew she needed to end up in the Fire Caves to help the Emissary. Of course, Sisko never bothers to inquire as to her ultimate fate.
 
Great villain as I see it.

She is power-obessed and egocentric. Her constant scheming makes her a great villain, one of the best in Star Trek.

Not to mentuion that she look like a dead-ringer to an old (but rather nice) aunt of mine which makes her appearance as a villain a bit funny for me with my twisted sense of humor. . "Oh look, it's Aunt *****! :lol:
 
Winn was a religious zealot.

There are some stories of American or European Christian women (and men too, but to a slightly lesser degree) converting into Islam and seeking to join the ISIS. Which indicates that for a religious zealot his own particular religion is not as important as the mere fact of religiousness itself. They can very well switch religion if they see that some other religion is "more true". That's precisely what happened to Winn when she got visions form Pah-wraiths and then failed to contact the Prophets via Orb.
 
Winn was a religious zealot.

There are some stories of American or European Christian women (and men too, but to a slightly lesser degree) converting into Islam and seeking to join the ISIS. Which indicates that for a religious zealot his own particular religion is not as important as the mere fact of religiousness itself. They can very well switch religion if they see that some other religion is "more true". That's precisely what happened to Winn when she got visions form Pah-wraiths and then failed to contact the Prophets via Orb.
I think Winn's conversion had more to do with the Pah-wraiths feeding her ego while the Prophets (understandably) shunned her. I'm not sure that her Faith ultimately had much to do with it.
 
Just as the Bajorans were the most interesting made up race Winn was the most interesting villain. Her ending was OK but if they had written her to be as smart and conniving up to the end it would have been a masterpiece. But they had Dukat to think of, I suppose.
 
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