Will We Ever See The 1990s Star Trek Aesthetic Again? Or Hear that “humm” Sound When No One Speaks?

[Tuskin38]

Sorry, I don't believe in predestination paradoxes or causality loops. IMO, there is *always* an "original" timeline, before something tampered and set in motion a change that then *became* a loop. We just don't always get to SEE the original timeline. Before First Contact, there was *absolutely* a *different* set of events with Cochrane that had produced everything referenced by TOS. Even the NX being named Enterprise was most likely a change, due to knowledge of the Enterprise E.... the original ship was most likely named something completely different.

It’s fictional you don’t need to believe it.

We’re not discussing real life here, predestination paradoxes exist in the the fictional world of Star Trek. It doesn’t have to make complete sense, it’s fictional.

And based on in-universe facts (and writers intent), Enterprise and Discovery are in the same timeline as all the other TV series. They’re not in a separate timeline.

if we go by your logic, then Voyager would also have to exist in this alternate first contact timeline, because that show acknowledges the events.

Also, when the ENT-E returned to the future, wouldn’t they end up in that altered timeline?

Nothing in the franchise supports your alternate timeline theory.

 

[Mytran]

Sorry, I don't believe in predestination paradoxes or causality loops. IMO, there is *always* an "original" timeline, before something tampered and set in motion a change that then *became* a loop.

If (in a given fictional universe) predestination paradoxes doesn't exist and there is always an original timeline which later gets overwritten then there would be no way to create a loop either!
This is because every time the cycle of events would be different to some extent. Furthermore they would repeat indefinitely, constantly overwriting the earlier timeline until a sequence of events happened where the participants didn't travel back in time, thus breaking the cycle.
However, at no point would there be continuous loop.

 

[The Wormhole]

I don't believe in predestination paradoxes or causality loops.

But they believe in you.

 

[The Wormhole]

Also, when the ENT-E returned to the future, wouldn’t they end up in that altered timeline?

More to the point, I believe the timecops in Relativity even confirmed the Enterprise E was always meant to be part of Cochrane's warp flight.

SEVEN: A causality loop in which interference to prevent an event actually triggers the same event.
DUCANE: Excellent. Can you give me an example?
SEVEN: The Borg once travelled back in time to stop Zefram Cochrane from breaking the warp barrier. They succeeded, but that in turn led the starship Enterprise to intervene. They assisted Cochrane with the flight the Borg was trying to prevent. Causal loop complete.
DUCANE: So, in a way, the Federation owes its existence to the Borg.

 

[Mytran]

More to the point, I believe the timecops in Relativity even confirmed the Enterprise E was always meant to be part of Cochrane's warp flight.

That example has always seemed odd to me since it wasn't the Borg travelling back in time which led to the launch of The Phoenix, it was the crew of the Ent-E.
Unless 7of9 is saying that Zephram never actually had the correct tech to complete his flight successfully and it was only due to the aid of the Ent-E crew that it worked at all?
Now THAT would be predestination paradox!

A more conventional time loop might have had the Borg travel back in time to prevent the launch of The Phoenix, crashland in Montana (killing all the Borg) and salvaged parts of the Borg sphere be crucial components in Cochrane's warp ship design. But that wouldn't featured as many phaser fights

 

[F. King Daniel]

Sorry, I don't believe in predestination paradoxes or causality loops. IMO, there is *always* an "original" timeline, before something tampered and set in motion a change that then *became* a loop. We just don't always get to SEE the original timeline. Before First Contact, there was *absolutely* a *different* set of events with Cochrane that had produced everything referenced by TOS. Even the NX being named Enterprise was most likely a change, due to knowledge of the Enterprise E.... the original ship was most likely named something completely different.

That requires time to be linear, but we know from Deep Space Nine that it is not, only our perception is.

 

[Mudd]

I hear the hum of classic phasers every morning when I go outside to run:

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[The Old Mixer]

I could hear the cicadas better if the guy with the camera would shut his trap for a few seconds.

 

[valkyrie013]

Well in the books, the borg owe there existance to a predestination paradox, in that some humans, and an alien get sent back in time, and they end up the first queen and drones.
Didn't really like that because its another "Humans" being part of everything thing.. The borg can be born without our help.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well in the books, the borg owe there existance to a predestination paradox, in that some humans, and an alien get sent back in time, and they end up the first queen and drones.
Didn't really like that because its another "Humans" being part of everything thing.. The borg can be born without our help.

Meh, I like that for once Canada got to contribute to the galaxy. In the novels, the first Borg drone is a Canadian MACO.

 

[cooleddie74]

Kinda glad the novels aren't canon, then, since the first onscreen Borg drone made from an Earth human - at least chronologically - was a member of the Arctic research team that discovered the Borg sphere's debris.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Meh, I like that for once Canada got to contribute to the galaxy. In the novels, the first Borg drone is a Canadian MACO.

Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. Sorry.

 

[cooleddie74]

Canadian assimilation is worth just three-quarters the nanoprobes.

 

[Steve Roby]

Canadian Borg assimilation is covered by our socialized medicine. American Borg assimilation isn't covered by any insurers' plans, so not only will you be assimilated, you'll be in debt up to your optical implants.