Will Trek XI contradict Shatner's Starfleet Academy Novel?
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I certainly didn't notice it, although I favor TOS over TNG. What was it that was particularly negative about his portrayal?
I certainly didn't notice it, although I favor TOS over TNG. What was it that was particularly negative about his portrayal?
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Re: Will Trek XI contradict Shatner's Starfleet Academy Nove
Nah, you've got it all wrong.
It's just that it's impossible for Picard to come off as anything but what he really is when in the same scene or story as James T. Kirk: inferior.
So it's not Shatner as much as it is the fact that Picard can't hold a candle to Kirk.
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Nah, you've got it all wrong.
It's just that it's impossible for Picard to come off as anything but what he really is when in the same scene or story as James T. Kirk: inferior.
So it's not Shatner as much as it is the fact that Picard can't hold a candle to Kirk.
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Re: Will Trek XI contradict Shatner's Starfleet Academy Nove
IIRC, Ashes of Eden was Shatner's proposal for Trek VI. George Takei, after the box office failure of Trek V, stated at a San Diego convention (I was an attendance) that he heard that Shatner pitched a story that had Kirk departing Starfleet, turning his back on his friends because of an alien woman's plea to help her planet.
Low and behold, several years later, the plot of AoE is similar. But it would've been a kick-ass movie!
As for the new Trek and Shatner's novels conflicting with one another, I don't think that they should even worry about each other. Each project is its own independent entity. There is no need for them to be in agreement with each other over the first meeting of Kirk and Spock. I rather enjoy that there are multiple takes on the when, where, and how these two met. After all, there's been several books and comics that have explored this meeting (Enterprise: First Adventure, several YA books, and All Those Years... by DC comics).
It's kinda like Young Sherlock Holmes. Despite not following the Doyle canon, I still enjoyed the alternate take on Holmes and Watson's first adventure.
IIRC, Ashes of Eden was Shatner's proposal for Trek VI. George Takei, after the box office failure of Trek V, stated at a San Diego convention (I was an attendance) that he heard that Shatner pitched a story that had Kirk departing Starfleet, turning his back on his friends because of an alien woman's plea to help her planet.
Low and behold, several years later, the plot of AoE is similar. But it would've been a kick-ass movie!
As for the new Trek and Shatner's novels conflicting with one another, I don't think that they should even worry about each other. Each project is its own independent entity. There is no need for them to be in agreement with each other over the first meeting of Kirk and Spock. I rather enjoy that there are multiple takes on the when, where, and how these two met. After all, there's been several books and comics that have explored this meeting (Enterprise: First Adventure, several YA books, and All Those Years... by DC comics).
It's kinda like Young Sherlock Holmes. Despite not following the Doyle canon, I still enjoyed the alternate take on Holmes and Watson's first adventure.
Re: Will Trek XI contradict Shatner's Starfleet Academy Nove
I think it would've been a little wierd seeing Chekov and Uhura in Starfleet Intelligence. In all honesty, I'm glad it wasn't the sixth movie, because I liked the sixth movie that we got. But it still would've made a great movie.
I think it would've been a little wierd seeing Chekov and Uhura in Starfleet Intelligence. In all honesty, I'm glad it wasn't the sixth movie, because I liked the sixth movie that we got. But it still would've made a great movie.
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They were getting pretty old by then, though. Look at Scotty's appearance in GEN. It might've been a little hard for some of them to do a whole movie.
They were getting pretty old by then, though. Look at Scotty's appearance in GEN. It might've been a little hard for some of them to do a whole movie.
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Actually, imo, SI is a logically career evolution for those characters. Uhura being a communications officer has the training and skills for intelligence gathering-- i.e. langustics, computer/technical (as seen in TOS), listening, etc. Chekov being crosstrained as a tactical/security, navigator and science officer would be most useful in gathering information on other species, new technologies and assessing the tactical skills of another race.
Actually, imo, SI is a logically career evolution for those characters. Uhura being a communications officer has the training and skills for intelligence gathering-- i.e. langustics, computer/technical (as seen in TOS), listening, etc. Chekov being crosstrained as a tactical/security, navigator and science officer would be most useful in gathering information on other species, new technologies and assessing the tactical skills of another race.
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Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying it was a bad thing, I agree that it fit the characters. But onscreen, for better or worse, we've been trained to expect the characters in the status quo, preserving the norm. It would've been wierd to see them out of that status quo even if it did fit the characters.
Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying it was a bad thing, I agree that it fit the characters. But onscreen, for better or worse, we've been trained to expect the characters in the status quo, preserving the norm. It would've been wierd to see them out of that status quo even if it did fit the characters.
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I didn't think you were saying otherwise.
The status quo is one of the things that has always bugged me in Trek, especially in TNG and onwards. I loved that in TWOK and TSFS we got the hint that this group would eventually move on and go to other assignments, but alas TVH brought them all back together. I would've liked the TOS movies to have gone more in the direction of AoE and have the crew off on their own as part of the plot then coming together towards the climax of the film/story.
I didn't think you were saying otherwise.
The status quo is one of the things that has always bugged me in Trek, especially in TNG and onwards. I loved that in TWOK and TSFS we got the hint that this group would eventually move on and go to other assignments, but alas TVH brought them all back together. I would've liked the TOS movies to have gone more in the direction of AoE and have the crew off on their own as part of the plot then coming together towards the climax of the film/story.
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Funny thing about that is, being fairly young, I never saw any of these movies in the theater, but info about these movies and all the Trek lore somehow trickled down to me from various sources. So, by the time I saw Trek VI, I was so familiar with the idea of Sulu as Captain of the Excelsior (and at the time, I probably didn't even really know that it was just the one movie where that was the case), that it almost seemed like the status quo to me.
I don't think I would've minded seeing Uhura and Chekov as SI; I probably would've thought it was cool to see them doing something more dynamic. But it still would've been wierd, like the first image of TNG in the movies being on a clipper ship.
Funny thing about that is, being fairly young, I never saw any of these movies in the theater, but info about these movies and all the Trek lore somehow trickled down to me from various sources. So, by the time I saw Trek VI, I was so familiar with the idea of Sulu as Captain of the Excelsior (and at the time, I probably didn't even really know that it was just the one movie where that was the case), that it almost seemed like the status quo to me.
I don't think I would've minded seeing Uhura and Chekov as SI; I probably would've thought it was cool to see them doing something more dynamic. But it still would've been wierd, like the first image of TNG in the movies being on a clipper ship.
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