I would like to see more action with the characters but not so much with a big black ship pummeling the enterprise yet again.
Will they go back to primeTrek after nuTrek finishes?.
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I would like to see more action with the characters but not so much with a big black ship pummeling the enterprise yet again.
Then it becomes what we in the business call "a television episode. "
("we in the business" part is facetious.
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Then it becomes what we in the business call "a television episode. "
("we in the business" part is facetious.
Well of course it should have good effects but they can save millions by not having any lens flares in the next movie at all. Sometime good writing makes a better movie rather then the effects.
If you think back about half a century....The Outer Limits and the Twilight Zone did some good space stories without modern special effects, and certainly without a big budget for such.
Right. I want special effects but they don't have to be the whole movie. It would be nice to see the enterprise crew in the briefing room without a constant shaky cam.
I never understood why people seem to think a lot of sfx makes or breaks an 'intelligent' or story-driven movie.
The Thing, Silent Running, Gravity, The Fly, Interstellar, Gojira Blade Runner, District 9, 2001, Alien etc were all SFX fests (and visual effects fests for most of them.) Most of them had decent sized budgets for their time as well.
And it's not like a lowered-budget is any guarantee of success. Alien Vs Predator 2 cut the budget, heightened the rating, and hired series fans to make the thing more like what the critics wanted (darker, scarier, gorier , more character focus, less wrestling matches etc.) It's a million times worse than the first one in every way!
EDIT: I own the Outer Limits and Twilight Zone. The pilot alone for Outer Limits had an entire character who was a walking visual effect (a pretty good one too.) Just because they had less to work with, doesn't mean they didn't use all the tricks they had available to them.
The Thing, Silent Running, Gravity, The Fly, Interstellar, Gojira Blade Runner, District 9, 2001, Alien etc were all SFX fests (and visual effects fests for most of them.) Most of them had decent sized budgets for their time as well.
And it's not like a lowered-budget is any guarantee of success. Alien Vs Predator 2 cut the budget, heightened the rating, and hired series fans to make the thing more like what the critics wanted (darker, scarier, gorier , more character focus, less wrestling matches etc.) It's a million times worse than the first one in every way!
EDIT: I own the Outer Limits and Twilight Zone. The pilot alone for Outer Limits had an entire character who was a walking visual effect (a pretty good one too.) Just because they had less to work with, doesn't mean they didn't use all the tricks they had available to them.
Um, not that I'm the expert, but I think lens flares are the cheaper aspect of the effects...
Then it becomes what we in the business call "a television episode. "
("we in the business" part is facetious.
Well of course it should have good effects but they can save millions by not having any lens flares in the next movie at all. Sometime good writing makes a better movie rather then the effects.
I mean, I know little about visual effects but even I can put lens flares on film. I'm cheap too.
Indeed. The concept that making things cheaper automatically means better is oversimplified, at best. Same thing with having a larger budget, as exemplified perfectly by Star Trek V.
The point is, to have a team who knows how to work with the budget. I don't like TWOK, but I love what Meyer did with the budget, saving where he could and reusing everything that he could to save a penny.
Lin is experienced in Hollywood. I think he knows how to manage the budget, having been both a director and a producer.
I: Big black cloud
II: Little white ship
III: Little green ship
IV: Big black ship pummeling Earth
V: God
VI: Another little green ship
GEN: Another another little green ship
FC: Big black ship.
INS: Um, wrinkles?
NEM: Big black ship
ST09: Big black ship
STID: Big black ship.
So...is your problem with the color of the ship, or do you just not like Star Trek?
We already know the budget is being decreased. They are changing the filming location, which will be cheaper, by about 25 Million, I believe, and that number will be the reduction of the budget. So, no change in how much they can spend on stuff, just a lower location shooting cost, so therefore lower budget, with no impact.
So in other words, your bitching isn't really about the film's budget, is it? Because none of those things have to do with that. You're just using that as a flimsy excuse to just bitch about the movie in general, like you always do.
You know, for someone trying desperately hard to pretend he's a fan of the movies when his posting history shows otherwise, you're doing a lousy job of convincing us of that.
That's true, unless you factor in the total "carbon footprint" cost of hiring ILM to remove said lens flare.Um, not that I'm the expert, but I think lens flares are the cheaper aspect of the effects...
I mean, I know little about visual effects but even I can put lens flares on film.
Im a fan of Peggs other work and hoping he will bring something different to the franchise then what we have. Just because I am not a big fan of the previous films doesn't mean I don't want to like Peggs version. I am actually looking forward to what he is going to produce. I mentioned a few things about the earlier films that I dislike and my hopes that they will be changed. Abrams even admitted he over did the lens flares and there is a possibility the new director wont use them. I wouldnt have a problem with that. Its only my opinion.
I feel as Pubert does. I didn't dislike the overall setup for JJ Trek. The actors themselves are fine. I just didn't like the writing, production design, or cinematography. Since this is the only Trek we've got, though, if they do with this what Meyer did in retooling Trek between TMP and Khan, then I'll jump on the bandwagon. Do I think the changes will be that radical? I doubt it. But I'll wait and see.
After the Berman years, I hope to never see another briefing room scene.
Just out of curiosity, is Pubert's name pronounced "Pyew-bert" or "Pooh-bear"?
It probably doesn't matter.
It probably doesn't matter.
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Probably pyoo-bert like in the Addams Family movies.
Actually I agree the Berman briefing room scenes tended to be boring and to long. I would like to see more of the TOS briefings which were shorter. Also TOS didn't overdo the number of briefings like they did in TNG and STV. One short briefing room scene that has little pizzaz would be enough for me.
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