Will they ever bring back Legends?

[Tuskin38]

Well according to the new canon artificial kyber crystals don't work.

They're very unstable.
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Synthetic_kyber_crystal

 

[thribs]

Well according to the new canon artificial kyber crystals don't work.

They're very unstable.
https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Synthetic_kyber_crystal

Until they do.
I’m not all that familiar with the Disney canon stuff.

 

[Reverend]

I just found the bleeding crystal thing just silly. I prefer the idea that the Sith just use artificial crystals.

You get that the "bleeding" part is figurative, right? They don't literally bleed them. They're crystals. They don't have blood...though they are technically alive.

And I don't care what anyone says: "claimed their crystal from a fallen enemy and bent it to their will" isn't silly, it's metal as fuck. "Baked it in an oven", now that is just boring.

 

[fireproof78]

You get that the "bleeding" part is figurative, right? They don't literally bleed them. They're crystals. They don't have blood...though they are technically alive.

And I don't care what anyone says: "claimed their crystal from a fallen enemy and bent it to their will" isn't silly, it's metal as fuck. "Baked it in an oven", now that is just boring.

Easy Bake Sith Oven. Didn't sell as well as I had hoped.

 

[JD]

Oh yes, that poker game. I also recall that the story seemed to be setting up Ben Skywalker with his deceased cousin's girlfriend who was not only significantly older then him but had stuck her hand down his pants in an icky interrogation scene some time earlier (she had been evil then). The villains were connected to some random pick a path game book you'd never heard of. Seriously, Crucible was just one of those "what the frak?" things.

Seriously? That is fucked up and creepy on so many levels.

 

[Tuskin38]

You get that the "bleeding" part is figurative, right? They don't literally bleed them. They're crystals. They don't have blood...though they are technically alive.

And I don't care what anyone says: "claimed their crystal from a fallen enemy and bent it to their will" isn't silly, it's metal as fuck. "Baked it in an oven", now that is just boring.

Yeah, it is called bleeding because they turn red.
What they're actually doing is corrupting them with the dark side.
Kyber crystals are naturally attuned to the light side of the force, which is why they do it.

https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

 

[Reverend]

Easy Bake Sith Oven. Didn't sell as well as I had hoped.

Sith make the worst cupcakes ever. Dry, bitter and always repeating on you.

 

[USS Firefly]

Sith make the worst cupcakes ever. Dry, bitter and always repeating on you.

And there are only two of them, no more no less

 

[Reverend]

Seriously though; just the idea that kyber crystals are somehow alive makes lightsabers and the Jedi & Sith's affinity for them make so much more sense. It makes the weapons more special, damn near impossible for non-force users to replicate and serves as a physical foci for connecting with the living force.
Which is itself a neat way to harken back to the early draft notion of Jedi amulets that serve as amplifiers, but without the inherent pitfall of that concept (i.e. they don't imbue power, they *help* focus and amplify what's already present and generally only to the specific person that bonded to/bled it.)

Oh and the living part also makes artificial kyber crystals an obvious no-go, or at least insanely difficult and never as good as natural grown. There's even a line in RO that seems to imply that Kyber only forms inside certain types of star...which leads to the implication that (in a sense) some stars are alive, or at the very least resonate with each other through the force.

 

[Tuskin38]

I just assumed Chirrut there was being metaphorical.
The planet Ilum is full of Kyber (or was before the Empire strip mined it)

There are also hints that Starkiller was created from the remains of Ilum:
Starkiller's diameter is the same as Ilum, and galaxy maps showing its 'starting point' show it in the same sector as Ilum.

Though Starkiller had forests, which we never saw on Ilum.

 

[Reverend]

Chirrut's line could be taken either way. But I think the literal interpretation makes more sense because 1) What's that suppose to be a metaphor for exactly? and 2) stellar cores are where most heavy elements are formed in the real world and distributed by means of novae and supernovae. Just as every atom of gold or uranium in the Earth's crust accreted from supernova remnant nebulae, perhaps every kyber crystal deposit on planets like Iilum, Christophsis and Jedah were similarly seeded at each planet's formation.

The idea that something so seemingly connected with the force being apart of the a cycle of life and death on the cosmic scale seems quite appropriate.

 

[WebLurker]

Seriously? That is fucked up and creepy on so many levels.

You're telling me.

Chirrut's line could be taken either way.

I have to agree with the other posters that he was being metaphorical.

But I think the literal interpretation makes more sense because 1) What's that suppose to be a metaphor for exactly?

Jyn herself.

and 2) stellar cores are where most heavy elements are formed in the real world and distributed by means of novae and supernovae. Just as every atom of gold or uranium in the Earth's crust accreted from supernova remnant nebulae, perhaps every kyber crystal deposit on planets like Iilum, Christophsis and Jedah were similarly seeded at each planet's formation.

The idea that something so seemingly connected with the force being apart of the a cycle of life and death on the cosmic scale seems quite appropriate.

Maybe? No proof of that being the case, though.

 

[Enterprise is Great]

Seriously? That is fucked up and creepy on so many levels.

If that's accurate then I'm so glad that I never finished that series. ugh. I don't want that in my Star Wars fiction.

 

[David cgc]

Yeah, it is called bleeding because they turn red.
What they're actually doing is corrupting them with the dark side.
Kyber crystals are naturally attuned to the light side of the force, which is why they do it.

https://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Bleeding

Have they ever said what exactly happens if someone strong in the dark side uses a "natural" kyber lightsaber? Does it start to run hot and short out? Does it start wobbling the handle? Will it try to roll away when it's put down? It looks like whatever the problem is, it doesn't kick in immediately, based on Vader using his original saber for a day or so without a problem (or much longer, depending on if you think the crystal might've gotten suspicious after the occasional massacre and murder before he "officially" turned).

 

[thribs]

LoL! He was a teenager and she was a pretty girl. Seducing someone so they would talk seems like a perfectly valid method to get information.
I also don’t recall her putting her hand down his pants.
I think her being older is no big deal. Han was older than Leia.

 

[Tuskin38]

Have they ever said what exactly happens if someone strong in the dark side uses a "natural" kyber lightsaber?

I don't think anything happens.

They also showed Obi-Wan using one of Ventress' sabres in Clone Wars with no ill effects.

 

[thribs]

I don't think anything happens.

They also showed Obi-Wan using one of Ventress' sabres in Clone Wars with no ill effects.

That was before the Disney canon though.

 

[Tuskin38]

That was before the Disney canon though.

So?

It's still canon, and there is nothing in the canon (yet) to suggest that there are ill effects for short or long period usage.

 

[Reverend]

Have they ever said what exactly happens if someone strong in the dark side uses a "natural" kyber lightsaber? Does it start to run hot and short out? Does it start wobbling the handle? Will it try to roll away when it's put down? It looks like whatever the problem is, it doesn't kick in immediately, based on Vader using his original saber for a day or so without a problem (or much longer, depending on if you think the crystal might've gotten suspicious after the occasional massacre and murder before he "officially" turned).

IIRC it's been clarified that the blade itself doesn't stop working if someone other than the builder (even a Sith) tries to use it. They just don't get the added benefit of being bonded. It's a spiritual thing, not a physical thing. At the end of the day it's still just a piece of technology. From the PoV of the wielder I suppose it's akin to driving someone else's car/wearing someone else's leather jacket/using someone else's laptop. It's perhaps a little weird and feels somewhat awkward because it's not broken in or "their's" but it's not a huge issue.

Oh and there's plenty of precedent for both dark side users using light attuned blades and even light side users wielding red blades without and real problems.
Plus of course Jedi and Sith alike using blades not made by them, regardless of alignment. For example, Savage's saber was just given to him, as presumably were Ventress's. In AotC Anakin & Obi Wan were tossed a pair of sabers, presumably from the temple armoury and thus most likely built by now deceased Jedi.

 

[Tuskin38]

Plus non-force users can use sabers as well, just not as well since they don't have the force to guide their movements.

I wonder if someone trained on a vibroblade could use a lightsaber well.