Will the new enterprise be larger than the TOS?

[The Academic]

It may be that the entire window/viewscreen discussion is null and void... Can it be that a window also doubles as a viewscreen?
Sometimes it seems to me that the nuEnterprise's bridge uses something like a HUD. In the photo I mentioned in an earlier post (the publicity shot with McCoy and the others standing in front of what seems to be a window), you not only have a view outside, but the speed of the starship ('warp factor such-and-such') superimposed onto it. Also, in another photo, the film.com exclusive with Nero on the big screen and Kirk and Spock standing in front of him (sorry I don't have the URL), it looks like you see not only Nero, but also some kind of nebula behind him, just as if his transmission was somehow projected onto the window.

 

[trevanian]

It may be that the entire window/viewscreen discussion is null and void... Can it be that a window also doubles as a viewscreen?

Easy now, easy ... it's a desert topping AND a floor cleaner!

 

[ancient]

Whoops, looks like I misremembered that comparison shot: It's still pretty big though.

That's actually MadMan's model, but I believe it was based on the official ortho's that came out.

Those can't be bridge windows since the bridge doesn't have three windows like that.

from an interview I did with the PD, Scott Chambliss, a couple weeks back (his words):

"The only greenscreen burn-ins were the huge viewing windows of the Enterprise and the Jellyfish."

Now it could be he misspoke and meant viewscreens, but he seemed pretty clear in most of his speech. There was plenty of stuff he refused to discuss, but the stuff he talked about, he was pretty specific.

Well, there are still dozens of big rectangles on the ship that look darn similar to windows....

Seriously, those three things are on deck two, and there are three of them. Three of them, one viewer, it doesn't add up.

The Kelvin looks like another story though.

Those can't be bridge windows since the bridge doesn't have three windows like that.

from an interview I did with the PD, Scott Chambliss, a couple weeks back (his words):

"The only greenscreen burn-ins were the huge viewing windows of the Enterprise and the Jellyfish."

Now it could be he misspoke and meant viewscreens, but he seemed pretty clear in most of his speech. There was plenty of stuff he refused to discuss, but the stuff he talked about, he was pretty specific.

See, ancient, it seems I have been right.

*angry spittle spray*

 

[ST-One]

*angry spittle spray*

 

[miraclefan]

^WOW! that's a big ship if the scale is accurate, it makes me wonder if the ''800 LIVES'' line ''WAS'' refering to the crew? And is it just me or does J.J. have a ''thing'' for LARGE Nacelles? M'Sharak thank you for the Advice,(and link) did not mean to cause trouble.

 

[M'Sharak]

It may be that the entire window/viewscreen discussion is null and void... Can it be that a window also doubles as a viewscreen?
Sometimes it seems to me that the nuEnterprise's bridge uses something like a HUD. In the photo I mentioned in an earlier post (the publicity shot with McCoy and the others standing in front of what seems to be a window), you not only have a view outside, but the speed of the starship ('warp factor such-and-such') superimposed onto it. Also, in another photo, the film.com exclusive with Nero on the big screen and Kirk and Spock standing in front of him (sorry I don't have the URL), it looks like you see not only Nero, but also some kind of nebula behind him, just as if his transmission was somehow projected onto the window.

You're thinking of this image, (and of this one, for the publicity shot with the viewscreen in the background) and the possibility of a multi-function window/HUD has been the subject of some (often spirited ) discussion here previously.

 

[The Academic]

When doing all these side-by-side comparisons, why did never ever anybody have the idea to make the bridge domes vaguely the same size and work from there? The size of bridges/bridge domes seems to be one of the few constants in Star Trek's Federation starship design (similar to the Imperial star destroyers' deflector shield globes in Star Wars)...
Because if you do that, you'll end up with a huge nuEnterprise and a gargantuan Kelvin (800 people? No problem!)...

 

[cooleddie74]

When doing all these side-by-side comparisons, why did never ever anybody have the idea to make the bridge domes vaguely the same size and work from there? The size of bridges/bridge domes seems to be one of the few constants in Star Trek's Federation starship design (similar to the Imperial star destroyers' deflector shield globes in Star Wars)...
Because if you do that, you'll end up with a huge nuEnterprise and a gargantuan Kelvin (800 people? No problem!)...

Now THAT is one huge-ass nacelle for its timeframe. But I suppose it makes some sense that some earlier vessels might use less sophisticated and efficient warp propulsion technology and require bigger, less advanced warp coils in order to achieve light speed and beyond. Which makes mid-and-late 23rd century ships like the Enterprise an evolutionary jump.

 

[miraclefan]

^ Maybe because the ''engine room'' is in the nacelle? Just a thought.

 

[cooleddie74]

^ Maybe because the ''engine room'' is in the nacelle? Just a thought.

Possibly. But then it could just as easily be in the upper stardrive cigar/section, like a mirror reverse of how the Enterprise will one day be set up. But who knows. We haven't seen detailed specs of the Kelvin or her class yet.

 

[miraclefan]

^I wish they would release ''Something'' all this speculation is driving me ''NUTS''!

 

[cooleddie74]

My guess is that being an earlier design/class of ship she'll probably have the engine room outside the nacelle. I don't think we've ever seen a single Starfleet ship that has located engineering INSIDE a nacelle in any era. And that upper stardrive pylon/cigar has to be for something, since all crew cabins and quarters are likely in the saucer.

 

[miraclefan]

^Or it ''could'' be located in the saucer section itself, like the NX-O1?! I bring that up because the KELVIN'S weapons seem to ''pop'' out when needed, like the NX-O1, so maybe there are more simularites?

 

[Kemaiku]

From one of the trailers we can see the upper secondary hull of the Kelvin is a massive nearly empty hanger bay with only the briefest part of the forward section being the mechanism for the navigational deflector.

The bridge and main computer core would take up the central core of the saucer section and she has a rather large Impulse drive and probably a large Impulse deck behind it on multiple levels for the engines.

I'd see the nacelle being a full separated engineering section, bussard collector, warp coil series and everything else needed all in one huge cylindrical assembly. Plus without the benefit of a twin nacelle system she has to have an altered symmetrical assembly in the nacelle to accommodate for only having one engine.

 

[miraclefan]

^Very possible? sinse this ''is'' a new timeline, I would not be suprised by anything at this point!

 

[OneBuckFilms]

^Very possible? sinse this ''is'' a new timeline, I would not be suprised by anything at this point!

The issue with that is the Kelvin exists proir to the timeline divergence.

 

[Cary L. Brown]

From one of the trailers we can see the upper secondary hull of the Kelvin is a massive nearly empty hanger bay with only the briefest part of the forward section being the mechanism for the navigational deflector.

The bridge and main computer core would take up the central core of the saucer section and she has a rather large Impulse drive and probably a large Impulse deck behind it on multiple levels for the engines.

I'd see the nacelle being a full separated engineering section, bussard collector, warp coil series and everything else needed all in one huge cylindrical assembly. Plus without the benefit of a twin nacelle system she has to have an altered symmetrical assembly in the nacelle to accommodate for only having one engine.

Not true. At no point in any trailer do we see anything identified as being the Enterprise's hangar deck. Nor do we see a clear view of the interior of the Kelvin's hull.

We see A hangar. With rows upon rows of shuttles. And rows upon rows of red-suited cadets. The most obvious conclusion is that this particular hangar is ground-based, and that the various shuttles seen there are taking the various graduates to their various assignments.

And we see a brief, blurry shot that SEEMS to be showing us some of the interior of the Kelvin's secondary hull. How much, how deep... no real evidence, as far as I can tell.

 

[miraclefan]

^I always thought that scene with the hanger deck ''was'' on the ground?

 

[JuanBolio]

^I always thought that scene with the hanger deck ''was'' on the ground?

A lot of people are mistaking it for a shuttlebay.

As for the Kelvin's hangar... we don't get a really good view inside in the scene with the shuttle doors open. Not enough to determine that it fills the whole secondary hull, as some are claiming.

 

[The Academic]

As for the Kelvin's hangar... we don't get a really good view inside in the scene with the shuttle doors open. Not enough to determine that it fills the whole secondary hull, as some are claiming.

https://boldlygo.intel.com/content/index.html

The picture of the U.S.S. Kelvin's hangar on Intel's website indeed SUGGESTS that it fills the entire secondary hull. It actually looks a almost like a Battlestar Galactica hangar with all the running lights. As for its size, it doesn't seem to be more than two shuttles wide at the max.

P.S.
I hate to repeat myself, but why do all the side-by-side comparisons of TOS/nuTrek starships I've seen so far seem to insist that ALL primary hulls have the same diametre, when the different sizes of the bridge domes clearly suggest otherwise.