Spoilers Will Picard have Irumodic Syndrome in new series?

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  1. JoeZhang

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    Which is directly tied to, more or less, PTSD. One explosive episode in 25+ years isn't a trend, it's an outlier
     
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    Except... is his TV appearance really evidence of an explosive temper - He was angry that Starfleet left millions of people to die - What is there to get angry about if not that?

    If you think about dementia - getting angry that they forgot the sugar in your coffee is not the same as getting angry that the Federation left people to burn.
     
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    I'm only going on what his Stargazer highlighted as a symptom..or a sign of instability
     
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    The Picard era is nearer to us than it is to the Discovery season 3 period - I cannot understand what people are getting worried up about.
     
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    Not really in this case. It is acknowledging a plot point from AGT as a possibility. What TNG fan is not wondering about this. It could go either way. I'd prefer they stop torturing Picard. They already made him leave Starfleet in disgust and see Dahj die after figuring out she was Data's "daughter." Piling this shit on after Nemesis, Generations, the Borg, etc is starting to be too much. Let Picard have his last mission and not decay tragically while doing so. They probably will make him suffer though. Maybe he'll get cured.

    I was kind of irked by the implication that having an outburst like that would be out of character. 14 years of being pissed off and disgusted at starfleet and having to answer that question when he was assured he wouldn't have to is enough to lead most people to outbursts. FFS our Secretary of state just harassed and berated a reporter for asking a question.
     
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    More exactly it's reestablishing a plot point from the anti-time alternate timeline as being accurate in the prime, true timeline as well.
     
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    For the last time, AGT was not set in an "alternate timeline." It was set in the ONLY timeline. Then the timeline was rewound slightly at the end of the episode. So you can call that "alternate" if you want, since real history changed from that point on (as the characters discuss at episode's end). But it doesn't make the "past" of that timeline any different. Picard has a defect in his lobe. That's not subject to dispute or interpretation. It's a fact of THIS (the only) timeline.
     
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    Considering that everything that happened *AFTER* Picard started moving back and forth through time, before the encounter with Worf and Troi outside the holodeck, was undone..it became an alternate timeline. Among those things that were erased was Picard and Crusher talking about the small defect that could lead to Irumodic Syndrome..therefore that also was part of an alternate timeline.
    Now was it there all along? Probably. The fact remains that it was never mentioned again until this most recent episode, so for all we know it was a part of a future that never happened, an alternate future that was completely undone.

    Until now that is.
     
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    With Q who knows?
     
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    No, it doesn't matter that Beverly's conversation never happened. You don't just spontaneously develop a birth defect. That's why it's a BIRTH defect. It was always part of Picard. The fact that one single, small isolated period of a few days was "rewound" doesn't negate the reality of Picard's existence or the facts of his history.

    Guess what, LOTS of stuff about Picard wasn't mentioned "since" AGT considering this is the first proper TV show to feature Picard since that happened.

    You can twist yourself into knots pretending that AGT never happened. yes, those events were undone including a diagnosis by Beverly. But Picard didn't develop the defect that moment, it was always part of him.

    Why is this so hard to grasp?
     
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    Picard has a defect.

    The future timeline in AGT was Q fantasy.

    Both can be true.
     
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    You're half right. Picard was visiting a real future, but Q helped him move throughout the timelines. It wasn't a "fantasy", it was a genuine future.
     
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    Nah. It was real enough.
     
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    It doesn't matter.
    ST: Picard is Stewart's LOGAN
    and we all know how that ended. ;)
     
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    Actually, Picard has warts. He hates it. That's why the doctor was reluctant to tell him about it. In the future they've developed infallible tests to detect warts months before they actually grow.
     
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    True. But the doctor is looking for potential symptoms. Maybe it has absolutely nothing to do with it, but if outbursts are a potential symptom of a degenerative disease caused by the "defect", and he knows he's had at least one recently (and may have had more when not on interstellar TV), it would be remiss of him not to make the connection.
     
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    Yes - but to be fair the majority of films and TV shows end with rolling credits of who played/did what on the production...:nyah:;)