Will Khan Still be From the 1990s?
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They didn't have ships that broke the warp barrier prior to first contact date April 5, 2063, according to the movie First Contact. The Botany Bay (class DY-100) and ships like it, were constructed in the 1990's
They didn't have ships that broke the warp barrier prior to first contact date April 5, 2063, according to the movie First Contact. The Botany Bay (class DY-100) and ships like it, were constructed in the 1990's
I meant 2079 in reality, not in Star Trek.
Wait, are you trying to say Trek isn't realityThey didn't have ships that broke the warp barrier prior to first contact date April 5, 2063, according to the movie First Contact. The Botany Bay (class DY-100) and ships like it, were constructed in the 1990'sAnd I'd guess that by 2079, we still won't have ships as advanced as the Botany Bay
I meant 2079 in reality, not in Star Trek.
You know for a fact, in reality, that we will have ships that transport people from planet to planet, in 2079? The last of the DY-100's were constructed and used in the 1990's, according to "reelality" and Space Seed. The DY-400's were constructed and used afterwards, according to reeality.They didn't have ships that broke the warp barrier prior to first contact date April 5, 2063, according to the movie First Contact. The Botany Bay (class DY-100) and ships like it, were constructed in the 1990'sAnd I'd guess that by 2079, we still won't have ships as advanced as the Botany Bay
I meant 2079 in reality, not in Star Trek.
What? I'm confused.
I concur. By the year 2079 (in real reality) it is highly unlikely that we have interstellar sleeper ships. I think we're all familiar with your so called "reelality", but its the year 2012 and we still don't have intercontinental high speed rail, let alone flying cars. We also haven't been to the moon in 40 years.
I concur. By the year 2079 (in real reality) it is highly unlikely that we have interstellar sleeper ships. I think we're all familiar with your so called "reelality", but its the year 2012 and we still don't have intercontinental high speed rail, let alone flying cars. We also haven't been to the moon in 40 years.
No, I don't know if we will have that technology in 2079, which is why I said "And I'd guess that by 2079, we still won't have ships as advanced as the Botany Bay."
Again I wasn't talking about Star Trek. I was talking about reality, no matter how you choose to spell it. I thought I made that clear.
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At least Khan and Kirk would have something in common then
^ Star Trek: The Wrath of Britpop
Is there a difference between an alternate timeline and a parallel universe?
I mean, if Nero travels to the past and changes history, won't that have an influence over other guys in the new timeline traveling in the past altering that history again? The past of the new timeline is effectively altered too, potentially even billions of years into the past.
That means Klingons can look different, Khan could look different and be a British looking guy from 2012, Captain Archer's dog never peed on that tree and canon would still be 100% okay.
Didn't those guys making the last movie have this little say about infinite universes or something? Perfect explanation for having a reboot without having one. The new movie could have one little scene that could settle/explain this and it's everything goes from there on.
Also, if they establish this more as a "parallel universe", which in Star Trek is traditionally associated with crazy, improbable similarities (like the crew in MM still being the same guys in the same positions), it might be easier to swallow they meet someone named Khan although he is from another century and has a different backstory.
They just have to go this extra step. I want them to be able to make a Khan movie and do everything they want with it. Because they don't need to restrain themselves, even from a "canonical" view.
Not that I think this canon thing matters anything for like 99.999 of the people who will be watching this movie.
But it seems to me those guys behind the film are true Nerds. They have thought this timeline thing through and they know what they are doing.
I mean, if Nero travels to the past and changes history, won't that have an influence over other guys in the new timeline traveling in the past altering that history again? The past of the new timeline is effectively altered too, potentially even billions of years into the past.
That means Klingons can look different, Khan could look different and be a British looking guy from 2012, Captain Archer's dog never peed on that tree and canon would still be 100% okay.
Didn't those guys making the last movie have this little say about infinite universes or something? Perfect explanation for having a reboot without having one. The new movie could have one little scene that could settle/explain this and it's everything goes from there on.
Also, if they establish this more as a "parallel universe", which in Star Trek is traditionally associated with crazy, improbable similarities (like the crew in MM still being the same guys in the same positions), it might be easier to swallow they meet someone named Khan although he is from another century and has a different backstory.
They just have to go this extra step. I want them to be able to make a Khan movie and do everything they want with it. Because they don't need to restrain themselves, even from a "canonical" view.
Not that I think this canon thing matters anything for like 99.999 of the people who will be watching this movie.
But it seems to me those guys behind the film are true Nerds. They have thought this timeline thing through and they know what they are doing.
In this case, it would seem so. The way I read it, Nero and Spock Prime didn't just travel back in time, they ended up in an alternate universe, thanks to the black hole. This is why nothing they did in the past, affected their present.
It seemed clear to me that the timeline was altered when Nero came through the "lightning storm in space" thingy and that everything prior to that event was in the same timeline/universe as NEM & ENT on back. I'm hoping that this is portrayed rather than some cheap rewrite, because if that's case, the writers should've done some other story.
That could also be true. In an infinite multiverse, anything is possible.
The fact that the Abramsverse is exactly that - another universe - doesn't preclude it *still* being the same as the prime universe prior to Nero's arrival. Two parallel verses, Prime and Abrams, which (had Nero and Spock not arrived) might well have continued to be identical. But still separate.
From what I read as a lay person, a lot of physicists, cosmologists, and that type believe that even if travel back in time is possible, it's not possible to change time (if so they say, then why hasn't anyone from the future done it, yet?).
The idea that Nero went back in time and his presence started another time line separate from the one he left is actually more consistent with most current theories than the "let's stop JFK from being assassinated" or "correcting" time travel type of story like "Yesterday's Enterprise". Within the context of the time travel constraints Orci et al created in the JJVerse, going back in time to prevent Vulcan from being destroyed can't stop it from happening, but it could create another time line where it doesn't happen, and those who travelld back to make that happen that would the live within that time line with all six billion Vulcans whose planet they saved. But everyone else in would still be in the other universe without Vulcan.
The real question not being asked is what Spock Prime's appearance did to the time line created by Nero. Did this start yet another branch, or did what happened to Spock Prime occur within the continuity of the Nero time line? Why does Nero create an alternate future and Spock Prime doesn't?
The idea that Nero went back in time and his presence started another time line separate from the one he left is actually more consistent with most current theories than the "let's stop JFK from being assassinated" or "correcting" time travel type of story like "Yesterday's Enterprise". Within the context of the time travel constraints Orci et al created in the JJVerse, going back in time to prevent Vulcan from being destroyed can't stop it from happening, but it could create another time line where it doesn't happen, and those who travelld back to make that happen that would the live within that time line with all six billion Vulcans whose planet they saved. But everyone else in would still be in the other universe without Vulcan.
The real question not being asked is what Spock Prime's appearance did to the time line created by Nero. Did this start yet another branch, or did what happened to Spock Prime occur within the continuity of the Nero time line? Why does Nero create an alternate future and Spock Prime doesn't?
Wouldn't the "everything before Nero's interference stays the same" theory mean, however, that showing anything else but Ricardo Montalban sleeping in the Botany Bay, which looks exactly like the 1960's set would put that theory into question.
Would they really limit themselves like that when doing the new story?
But who knows, maybe they'll do a sequel to the ENT augments story, (maybe even throw in a Brent Spiner cameo) and really try to keep it in synch with the prime universe somehow.
Would they really limit themselves like that when doing the new story?
But who knows, maybe they'll do a sequel to the ENT augments story, (maybe even throw in a Brent Spiner cameo) and really try to keep it in synch with the prime universe somehow.
No. Not in the least.
If Khan is found after 2233, it just means that the interference caused someone somewhere to simply do something differently which lead to Khan being found earlier than 2266. By someone other than the Enterprise most likely.
There's not even any proof that we will see Khan being revived on the Botany Bay at all.
The writers have said that the STXI timelime was 100% identical to the Prime timeline prior to the Narada's arrival. According to Many Worlds Interpretation, it can be the very same past.
Things can be a little different simply because it's fiction, open to reinterpretation and modernization. Is a Gorn a guy in a bad rubber suit, or is it a fearsome lizard monster? It's the latter - and that's how a Klingon is a Klingon irrespective of the make up techniques used.
That's basically it in a nutshell. You can't expect a high budget movie made in 2009 or 2012 to have the same look as a low-ish budget tv show made nearly 50 years earlier. There has to be some willing suspension of disbelief.
