Yeah. What's that sound again that a bullet makes when it hits the beach? Or a writer makes when he's running from an airborne ranger whose wife he supposedly solicited?
Mariiiiiine?
Will Before Dishonors Ending Affect Voyager books? Spoilers!
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Yeah. What's that sound again that a bullet makes when it hits the beach? Or a writer makes when he's running from an airborne ranger whose wife he supposedly solicited?
Mariiiiiine?
Hey now, Airborne and me bonded and shit 
(Apparently we have much in common, including sore onions.)
(Apparently we have much in common, including sore onions.)
Hey now, Airborne and me bonded and shit
(Apparently we have much in common, including sore onions.)
That you do, my friend. That you do.
I thought most of it was going on in the months after "Nemesis" and leading up to "Death in Winter"; would or would Bev - or someone else - die in a novel. Surely "Before Dishonor" wasn't finished way back then? Especially knowing the famed PAD speed writer?
Maybe, but when I read the end of Before Dishonour, I did think that maybe Janeway would return at some stage, but the more I've thought about it, the more I personally would prefer her actually leaving this mortal coil and only poping up in pre Before Dishonour based litaracy as even though the books are moving forward chronologically more often, theres still the chance of stories featuring her before then, so in that sense, she isn't really dead!
Must've been an earlier iteration of the debate. I definitely remember a major resurgence of the argument just a month or two before BD came out. It was highly amusing to me to see people asserting with absolute certainty that the books would never be allowed to kill off a lead character when I knew they'd be proven wrong within a few weeks.
Maybe it was one of our semi-regular threads about the number of TOS characters surviving into the 24th century (though the situations aren't really comparable).
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
I'd hardly call Before Dishonor as "proving" that. I wish it did--I really do wish it did. But carting Janeway off with a Q isn't proof of her demise.
Not according to what Kirsten said a few posts ago.
This isn't a situation where the specific intent was to fake the readers out with a temporary death that would be quickly reversed. This is a situation where the choice was made to kill Kathryn Janeway -- but somewhere along the way, a small "back door" was added in just in case. I would imagine (just speculating here) that it was done to give us some wiggle room in the unlikely event thatCBS/Paramount decides to do something with Janeway in a future canonical work. But as far as I know, the intent of those involved with charting VGR fiction for Pocket is that the universe is going to proceed without Kathryn Janeway for the foreseeable future.
If you look at the end of BD again, it's clear enough, I think, that Lady Q didn't rescue Janeway's corporeal form in any way. Kathryn Janeway no longer exists in the physical universe, and whatever part of her Lady Q preserved is on the way toward something else. Lady Q even said she can't go back to what she was, although there was just enough of a hedge there to leave a crack open. But I think it's reasonably clear that the intent of the book was that Janeway is indeed gone from life as we know it, that what Lady Q saved was her soul, her essence, her katra, whatever you want to call it.
wow, what a response i got from a simple question. But i do think a lot of valid points were made by kirsten and chris.They killer her off for a reason. they also did leave it open for if some how somewhere voyager characters make another appearance, that she may be back, they may even provide some type of explanation. Who knows.I think it was a great book and look forward to Kirstens Voyager book to see how the crew copes(if they do)
I understand that. But leaving that back door open also leaves the permanentness of her death in doubt. (Which, since that's what such a back door would be designed to allow, isn't exactly unexpected.)
Do the writers/editors intend to use it? Kirsten says no, and I have no reason to disbelieve her. But that doesn't change the fact that it's there.
Yeah, but if anybody could make a new one, it'd be a Q.
The Aeroshuttle was there on the Voyager miniature/CG model, but it never once got used or even mentioned in seven years.
Yeah, but if anybody could make a new one, it'd be a Q.
"Oh, why would you want to go back to being one of those squishy, limited little flesh-and-blood things, Kathy? More importantly, why would I want to waste the effort on some tawdry little miracle just so you can have a cup of coffee again? You'll just die again in a few decades anyway -- the blink of an eye to a Q. So why should I inconvenience myself with something so temporary and pointless?"
"Instead, I think I'll give you a better and more durable body. Should last a few thousand years -- how old do you want to look, anyway? Do you want to change anything else about how you look? Oh, and let's make you Borg-resistant while we're at it."
At the moment Mrs. Beyer and the editor of the Voyager books (I think that would be Margaret Clark at the moment) may not plan to use the reset button, but that doesn't change the fact that it is there.
And I'm pretty sure that when an author comes to a Star Trek editor with a story idea both believe they need Janeway for, she will be back faster than you can say "reset button". That's not meant as a judging comment on such a hypothetical move, just my estimation of the permanence of her death, given the easy way out Peter David has installed in Before Dishonor.
And I'm pretty sure that when an author comes to a Star Trek editor with a story idea both believe they need Janeway for, she will be back faster than you can say "reset button". That's not meant as a judging comment on such a hypothetical move, just my estimation of the permanence of her death, given the easy way out Peter David has installed in Before Dishonor.
Well, of course, in a collaborative fiction line, there are always going to be options left open. Well, usually. But that doesn't guarantee they'll be taken. Heck, canonical Trek could have easily resurrected, say, Sito Jaxa or Geordi's mother, but it never did. It did resurrect Tasha Yar, but only temporarily, and then brought Denise Crosby back as the most ill-conceived villain ever rather than doing more with Tasha.
So just because Janeway could potentially be brought back doesn't mean she will be. It just means she's a fictional character who died in an SF universe -- every such character has the potential to be resurrected.
So just because Janeway could potentially be brought back doesn't mean she will be. It just means she's a fictional character who died in an SF universe -- every such character has the potential to be resurrected.
amen to that brother christopher
Full Circle and its follow-up will be edited by Marco.
Best of luck to you. Remember to stop reading if the migraine gets too bad.
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Fictitiously yours, Trent Roman
Follow-up? As in another Voyager novel? That'd be the best news I've had all week.
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