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Will Before Dishonors Ending Affect Voyager books? Spoilers!

Given the number of false deaths and resurrections we've seen in Star Trek over the decades, I'm not really sure what hand you were dealt. When we last saw Janeway, she was having a conversation with a Q. If the intent was that Janeway should be understood to be completely and irreversibly deader than the proverbial parrot pining for the fjords, with no reset button of any kind ever, not only should that scene not have appeared in Before Dishonor, Q should have been completely absent from the book. It's like having Anton Chekhov walk on screen, put a gun on a mantelpiece, say "Don't worry, nobody's going to use this," and wink at the camera.

Well, sure, the book left the option open, but that doesn't mean that option has to be taken. It's not Chekhov's gun on the wall, because it's not in the first act, it's in the epilogue. It's more like the end of "Conspiracy" or "Cold Fire" -- an opening that the author leaves just in case some future author wants to pick it up, but that may never actually be followed up on. (And yes, I'm aware that both of those were followed up on in the books. Given how good the books are at picking up on dangling threads, it's hard to find one that's still dangling, at least one that was intended as setup for a sequel.)

Keep in mind that this is a collaborative and largely serial creative process, not a singular work. One author can't know what future authors might do, nor is it an author's place to try to dictate to one's successors. At best, we can offer them options.

Kirsten isn't saying there's zero chance of a reset button ever. All she's saying is that she considers it more interesting to explore the aftereffects of Janeway's death. For all she or I or anyone else knows, some editor might decide to resurrect Janeway five years from now. Or they might not. It's not all locked down in advance. Just because we aren't scrambling to push the reset button doesn't mean it doesn't exist. And just because the reset button exists doesn't mean we have to scramble to push it. Personally I hope it never gets pushed in this case; I have nothing against Janeway and frankly was kind of angry about her death, but we've had far too many resurrections in Trek and I agree with Kirsten that it's far more interesting to deal with the reality of death rather than treating it as a minor inconvenience to be erased at the first opportunity. But that's a choice, not a requirement. Someone later on might make a different choice, might come to the conclusion that there's a worthwhile story reason to bring her back in some form; but that's not a requirement either.

Peter David killed Janeway but provided an out in case it was later decided to bring her back -- in the same way that TWOK killed Spock but provided an out in case Nimoy changed his mind, and in the same way that NEM killed Data but provided an out in case Spiner changed his mind and got the opportunity to return. And in the same way that countless horror movies hint at the end that the villain might return, just in case they get to do a sequel. But that decision hasn't been made yet, and it may never be. Spock came back right away, but Data probably won't come back ever. An option is not a guarantee.
 
I can`t shake off the feeling that after the many discussions about deaths in Star Trek it was decided we really have to do it and kill off a major “canon” character for a change. That opens the question, who is the best candidate? Janeway has her fans but she is a very controversial character and there are a lot of people who don`t like her. Nevertheless, I was amazed how few people reacted shocked and outraged. From reactions I have seen, the majority doesn`t really care that much and I even read more than one reaction of people who even welcomed this decision. I repeat – if that would have been Picard instead of Janeway, the reaction would have been very different, I am sure of that!

Frankly, I am not a Janeway fan and I don`t miss her. That doesn`t mean that I would have killed her off because I know that also Janeway has her fans and it feels wrong to me to take the captain of the Voyager series away from fans of that series.

I don`t know what goes on behind the scenes but I think my theory makes more sense than killing her because Janeway became an Admiral. Is Nechayev boring because she is an Admiral? No, certainly not.

I think killing off Admiral Janeway is also a mistake because this character would have been ideal to explore what Admirals are doing. Especially Nechayev has shown that she is much more than someone who sits behind a desk and let others do the action work. Especially PAD has given this woman a background I find fascinating. Also his comic “Turnaround” shows an Admiral, this time Jellico, in a much different role than a bureaucrat.

I am confident that Admiral Shelby will be no different and not only because she is the head of a space station. I don`t think PAD will kill her off, certainly not because of her promotion. I am also very much looking forward to “Treason” because this might be the first NF novel that gives PAD the opportunity to look at that aspect of Star Trek. Letting her work together with Nechayev and Jellico – I can`t wait to read that!

Hopefully writers and editors will see the role of Admirals as a challenge and not a burden because although I am no professional writer, I see so many possibilities! Without going into specifics because that is not wanted, for example there is the aftermath of “A Time to…”, Section 31 and hopefully Destiny will also explore the top level of Starfleet.
 
I'm looking forward to the new Voyager book and seeing the effects of Janeway's death, but I'm still impatient for her to return. I really hate how some people want to go for major character death instead of character development. Janeway as a character has too much potential to keep off the canvas for long. I suspect Voyager novels won't sell as well until she returns. I'll be buying them ( and hopefully enjoying them) but I'll be a happier reader once she's back.
I was also relieved that Crusher wasn't killed and returned to Enterprise. Her character's life has progressed since that point, proving that her return wasn't a cop out but a natural return to where she belonged. That she left at all was what I found out of character.
 
The ship rocked unexpectedly, a rumbling vibration sounding through the bulkheads, as the crew felt themselves pulled forward before the inertial dampners could adapt.

"What happened?" Janeway snapped.[...]

"Never tell me the odds!" Paris exclaimed, cutting off the channel.
Curiously, you've written Janeway as being almost completely superfluous to this scene...
 
Yikes I agree with Christopher!*faints*
Janeways' death is now a fact,instead of tired ,circular and tedious arguments,lets see what the writers can get out of her character in death what couldn't be gotten in life.
 
I can`t shake off the feeling that after the many discussions about deaths in Star Trek it was decided we really have to do it and kill off a major “canon” character for a change.

That was my memory of it too. I recall saying that such a death would also particularly anger that character's core group of fans. PAD actually managed to anger people who don't even like Janeway! ;)

As for the Chekhov (with an "h") gun on the mantel, I like the analogy. I saw the appearance of the gloating Suzie Q in the first few pages of "Before Dishonor" as the gun (or a cushion?), and figured she was there to soften the blow when it happened.
 
I can`t shake off the feeling that after the many discussions about deaths in Star Trek it was decided we really have to do it and kill off a major “canon” character for a change.

Not really. As I recall, the bulk of that debate was going on at a time when Before Dishonor had already been written. I was amused by the irony of people insisting that the books would never kill off a major character when I knew for a fact that it had already been done, and it was hard sometimes for me to resist dropping a hint about what was coming up.
 
That is very interesting!

I am curious why the decision to kill Janeway was made. I wonder if we will ever find out. :)

Probably the same reason Kirk climbed Al Capitan in Star Trek V, because he could!

I must confess I was amazed that they actually killed Janeway and in a way I'm glad that she is dead, I know it's science fiction and the possibilties are endless, but sometimes, dead should mean that dead.
 
People demanded to know why Pocket was too cowardly to kill off a regular.

In the Myriad Universes that would be an oxymoron

But those stories don't count* in the same way that Elseworld and What If comics don't count.




* please don't interpret that to mean that I am saying that those aren't good stories or I think those are "lesser" stories, just that they don't count in terms of the continuity that is presented in most of the books.
 
Dead may mean dead, but when the possibly departed is given such a because escape clause as Janeway was given I feel more frustrated that she's left in sort of dead limbo since she could be brought back at any time with minimal trouble.
 
Given the number of false deaths and resurrections we've seen in Star Trek over the decades, I'm not really sure what hand you were dealt.

It's Voyager. I had a two of clubs, a six of spades, a seven of hearts, a Jack of clubs and a Queen of diamonds.


When we last saw Janeway, she was having a conversation with a Q. If the intent was that Janeway should be understood to be completely and irreversibly deader than the proverbial parrot pining for the fjords, with no reset button of any kind ever, not only should that scene not have appeared in Before Dishonor, Q should have been completely absent from the book.

FWIW, when I first began developing the material that would become Full Circle, I was told only that Janeway would die. I did not learn of the Q angle until I was handed the galleys of BD, which was many moons later.

So much of what I created was based on the premise that she was not mostly dead, but dead dead.

Also bear in mind that FC covers the period from 2377 - well before Janeway's death in mid 2380 - through the beginning of 2381. For those who love Janeway there's plenty of Janeway still to come. BD is hardly the last word on this character.

As to the future, I can't speak to what others may choose to do with the mostly dead angle. Personally, I'm going to honor the intent of BD as it was originally conceived, which is that Janeway died. For all we know, when any of us die there's a snarky alien with delusions of omnipotence waiting to offer us our beverage of choice. Is it heaven or is it Iowa? How come some people get to go check out the nifty corn field and some people aren't invited? I don't know.

I just know that it doesn't automatically follow that because the Q showed up that means Janeway can, or more importantly should just come back - at least right away.

YMMV
 
As long as I don't have to pay extra this time, it's all cool.

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