Can you share some sources with me?
Why would the 'old Kim' timeline be erased in 'Timeless'
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Can you share some sources with me?
When it comes down to it, there is no "more realistic" and "less realistic" possibility when it comes to speculation about freaking time travel.
All I know is that I much prefer the more linear version where changing the past alters the future - it raises the stakes since it changes the fate of the one universe involved and doesn't simply create an alternate one which is lame.
"Timeless" would be a rubbish episode if it didn't stick to the kind of time-travel interpretation it did.
All I know is that I much prefer the more linear version where changing the past alters the future - it raises the stakes since it changes the fate of the one universe involved and doesn't simply create an alternate one which is lame.
"Timeless" would be a rubbish episode if it didn't stick to the kind of time-travel interpretation it did.
"In the light of the evidence I have been presented I will return my head to the sands of ignorance"
Kim was wrong or Kim was right.
He thought his entire universe would vanish and his universe would be replaced as the past was rewritten.
they talk about being demolished.
Well, obviously not that world.
You ever wonder if Tessa belonged to some doomsday cult that got wet for the end of days?
She had her own reasons for destroying the universe, she just chose not to share them with Kim and her boyfriend...Hooking up with someone possibly twice her age, suggests daddy issues. was her father on Voyager?
Joe Carey had kids.
Tessa Carey?
I think she must have been using them like patsies somehow.
There's probably a hidden message inside Kim's hidden message to young Kim to some one that can make use of the information that she has at hand which she wants to "infect'" history with.
But basically it was Borg technology, so either the Borg were wrong or the Borg were right.
How the Frakk could such technology exist without it being tested and destroying the universe, which means the technology is either untested or a refugee form a demolished timelines future... As a survival instinct the device would have to transmit blueprints to the past to make sure that what ever it does can be reversed, since it breaks upon use, along with the universe.
Maybe it's even the same/similar Hardware the Queen used to send the Borg back to Zephram's warp trials in First Contact?
Um.
How time works when using this technology in this episode, is stenciled loud and clear, no matter PRECEDENCE AND CANON from other episodes, because there is a bubble of contuitive logic between the teaser and the final credits that was firmly being controlled by a single vision.
Even if that vision was bollocks.
He thought his entire universe would vanish and his universe would be replaced as the past was rewritten.
they talk about being demolished.
Well, obviously not that world.
You ever wonder if Tessa belonged to some doomsday cult that got wet for the end of days?
She had her own reasons for destroying the universe, she just chose not to share them with Kim and her boyfriend...Hooking up with someone possibly twice her age, suggests daddy issues. was her father on Voyager?
Joe Carey had kids.
Tessa Carey?
I think she must have been using them like patsies somehow.
There's probably a hidden message inside Kim's hidden message to young Kim to some one that can make use of the information that she has at hand which she wants to "infect'" history with.
But basically it was Borg technology, so either the Borg were wrong or the Borg were right.
How the Frakk could such technology exist without it being tested and destroying the universe, which means the technology is either untested or a refugee form a demolished timelines future... As a survival instinct the device would have to transmit blueprints to the past to make sure that what ever it does can be reversed, since it breaks upon use, along with the universe.
Maybe it's even the same/similar Hardware the Queen used to send the Borg back to Zephram's warp trials in First Contact?
So the borg would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe, and Kim would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe, and Chakotay would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe, andTessa would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe, and Geordi would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe, andthe Federation Council would have to be wrong about the nature of the universe...
Um.
How time works when using this technology in this episode, is stenciled loud and clear, no matter PRECEDENCE AND CANON from other episodes, because there is a bubble of contuitive logic between the teaser and the final credits that was firmly being controlled by a single vision.
Even if that vision was bollocks.
La Forge is quite personable towards a man who is going to erase the last fifteen years of his and everyone else's lives in order to save a few people on a single starship isn't he?
Even going so far as to wish him "good luck" with his endeavour.
They really shouldn't promote grease-monkeys to the captaincy.
Even going so far as to wish him "good luck" with his endeavour.
They really shouldn't promote grease-monkeys to the captaincy.
Wanna bet? You need to be having this discussion with Christopher L Bennett, over in TrekLit. Indeed, there are already threads on the topic. His recent Star Trek novel, "DTI: Watching the Clock", incorporates all the theories and places most canonical time travel incidents into perspective. Highly recommended. A sequel/prequel is coming soon.
Given that most of the threads I see him posting in have some form of the phrase "Christopher would explain this better" I don't really see the issue with him then giving his explanation...
It seems something akin to Commissioner Gordon shining the Bat Signal and then complaining "Fucking hell Batman, what gives you the right to think you're involved"
It seems something akin to Commissioner Gordon shining the Bat Signal and then complaining "Fucking hell Batman, what gives you the right to think you're involved"
He's constantly googling himself?
I love how dirty that sounds.
I love how dirty that sounds.
A Star Trek author posting on a Star Trek BBS is comparable with a fictional superhero fighting crime? Okay then.
Yes...because what I said was Commissioner Gordon was shining the Bat Signal to get Batman to comment on a nerd discussion...
I'm going to introduce you to a concept known as "context" in the "context" of Batman, shining the Bat Signal lets Batman know that Commissioner Gordon wants him for something...
In the "context" of the BBS, or in a discussion generally, if you someone deputises another person into their argument, then you can hardly say "hey wait a minute" when that person gives their opinion or joins the discussion...
What does the Christopher signal look like?
Makes sense, IMHO. One of two things will apply: either that timeline will continue to exist, in which case La Forge has nothing to fear; or it will not, therefore La Forge will not ever remember it.
I think any sane person, when faced with even the slightest possibility of the latter, would do everything in their power to prevent it.
I think director/cameo star LeVar didn't want Geordi to appear to be the "baddie", so the ultra lame "good luck" bit was added.
Please.
The challenger should have launched shuttles to deal with the delta flier, and the mother ship should have slung shot around a sun, to jam the message and make the fuck sure that Janeway crashes into that Ice cube, if they had to stun the crew and tractor fling Voyager at Warp 13 into that world.
The challenger should have launched shuttles to deal with the delta flier, and the mother ship should have slung shot around a sun, to jam the message and make the fuck sure that Janeway crashes into that Ice cube, if they had to stun the crew and tractor fling Voyager at Warp 13 into that world.
Geordi is not, by nature, an angry person. I think it was in character for him to say good luck. He's always been fairly easygoing with people.
And I still think that part of the reason he said this is because however it turned out, he would not suffer. If his timeline continued, he would consider that a win, but if it didn't, there's no way he would remember it, so he must have figured, why worry? Plus he probably thought he would still be alive in the revised timeline anyway (no real reason to think he wouldn't be).
Or perhaps he was so confident that what Chakotay and Kim were trying to do, would not work, that he just said 'good luck' to make them feel better, figuring that there was never any risk that the timeline would change.
And I still think that part of the reason he said this is because however it turned out, he would not suffer. If his timeline continued, he would consider that a win, but if it didn't, there's no way he would remember it, so he must have figured, why worry? Plus he probably thought he would still be alive in the revised timeline anyway (no real reason to think he wouldn't be).
Or perhaps he was so confident that what Chakotay and Kim were trying to do, would not work, that he just said 'good luck' to make them feel better, figuring that there was never any risk that the timeline would change.
Hard to argue with any of that.
Wishing someone "good luck" with erasing the last fifteen years of mine and everyone else's lives is lunacy.
By your logic if I plan to one day shoot you in the back of the head, killing you instantly without you knowing about it, you have nothing to worry about, and may even wish me 'good luck', because you will not suffer?
Please don't be so ridiculous.
Geordi was just being a moron as usual.
What the writers intended as a Pacino versus De Niro in Heat-style confrontation in the vein of 'we're both just doing what we have to do and have no choice' just sounded like a pathetic character paradoxically wishing the man he'd been sent to stop erasing fifteen years of history "good luck".
Yup.
Imagine Rommel giving Eisenhower a blowjob before heading into Libya in 1940.
Imagine Rommel giving Eisenhower a blowjob before heading into Libya in 1940.
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