Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoilers

[SAndrews10]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

But yet I've always come across Star Trek=geeky/nerdy/stupid but if you like Star Wars that equals cool/awesome/etc...be interesting to see what happens with JJ Wars.

 

[Admiral Buzzkill]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Box office is more popularity and effectiveness of marketing. ID failed with marketing big time, but I think it to be (and many others agree with me) the better film.

And many others disagree with you. So?

 

[DarthTom]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

But yet I've always come across Star Trek=geeky/nerdy/stupid but if you like Star Wars that equals cool/awesome/etc...be interesting to see what happens with JJ Wars.

One thing Trek needs to address is that people 25 and under just don't seem to be interested in this film whereas Ironman and Superman have huge followings in a younger audience.

 

[BillJ]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

But yet I've always come across Star Trek=geeky/nerdy/stupid but if you like Star Wars that equals cool/awesome/etc...be interesting to see what happens with JJ Wars.

One thing Trek needs to address is that people 25 and under just don't seem to be interested in this film whereas Ironman and Superman have huge followings in a younger audience.

Maybe since there's not much of a manned space program, younger folks have a tougher time connecting to a universe where we live and work in space in fantastic starships.

 

[DarthTom]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Maybe since there's not much of a manned space program, younger folks have a tougher time connecting to a universe where we live and work in space in fantastic starships.

Perhaps that's what it is or that Henry Cavil is just more of a stud in terms of his appearance than Pine and younger girls will go to just watch him a a tight suit or in Iron Man's case Downey has broader appeal than Chris Pine.

Perhaps Paramount/Trek should pop for a big, big name star next go around. American audiences [and that's where Trek fell short] just didn't really know about or care about Cumberbatch.

 

[LobsterAfternoon]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Perhaps Paramount/Trek should pop for a big, big name star next go around. American audiences [and that's where Trek fell short] just didn't really know about or care about Cumberbatch.

I dunno if that'd accomplish much. After Earth had Will Smith, one of the biggest stars in the world, and it still fizzled. Ditto Tom Cruise's "Oblivion" back in April. The alchemy of success would seem to be a bit more complicated than that.

 

[Belz...]

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That's one of my biggest issues with this movie. Superman's almost complete disregard for saving lives until the very end after tens of thousands, if not more died.

I don't think that's true. Lois finds him because of all the people he saves.

 

[DarthTom]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

I dunno if that'd accomplish much. After Earth had Will Smith, one of the biggest stars in the world, and it still fizzled. Ditto Tom Cruise's "Oblivion" back in April. The alchemy of success would seem to be a bit more complicated than that.

Star and/or stud appeal I agree is only one component. Regarding After Earch, it failed because IMO no one wants to see Will Smith and his son fight killer animals. That's a big yawn from the get go in terms of a premise.

Whomever greenlighted After Earth didn't do his/her research. 10,000 BC - similar plot of fighting the animals - flopped as well.

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

The success of MOS was not driven by a thirty-five year-old movie that everyone doesn't agree was "excellent."

...and you are basing this on...?

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Man of Steel was awful. How many films can that movie rip off? Matrix, Independence Day, District 9, Alien, Avatar.

You know that the Superman origin story predates all of those right? The Matrix fight over the city between Smith and Neo, which is what I'm assuming you were referencing, was based on Superman, not the other way around. You think Neo flying around with a trenchcoat/cape was the first time that ever happened and that the Wachowskis weren't doing an homage to anyone there?

Superman was an alien refugee story long before District 9, dealt with alien invasions way before Independence Day, and had an alien living among the natives and taking their side well before Avatar..

Agreed; I do not know how anyone could think a sane mind would rip off the likes of The Matrix, Independence Day, District 9, or Avatar.

 

[Kruezerman]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Box office is more popularity and effectiveness of marketing. ID failed with marketing big time, but I think it to be (and many others agree with me) the better film.

And many others disagree with you. So?

Let me reiterate, critics agree with me.

 

[Vyse]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

That's one of my biggest issues with this movie. Superman's almost complete disregard for saving lives until the very end after tens of thousands, if not more died.

I don't think that's true. Lois finds him because of all the people he saves.

During the fight in Metropolis he doesn't try to save a single person until the very last part of the fight with Zod.

Nothing is even said of how many people were lost, no one seems to care.

 

[Vyse]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Box office is more popularity and effectiveness of marketing. ID failed with marketing big time, but I think it to be (and many others agree with me) the better film.

And many others disagree with you. So?

Let me reiterate, critics agree with me.

Exactly.

 

[M'Sharak]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

This is why we need Teenage Augment Ninja Starfleet as our next series.

Bet the uniforms would be really cool.

But yet I've always come across Star Trek=geeky/nerdy/stupid but if you like Star Wars that equals cool/awesome/etc...be interesting to see what happens with JJ Wars.

One thing Trek needs to address is that people 25 and under just don't seem to be interested in this film whereas Ironman and Superman have huge followings in a younger audience.

Iron Man and Superman might have larger followings, but that's only to be expected, because they always have had. If you think that Trek holds no interest for the younger age-group*, you might want to check with several million 25-and-unders on Tumblr, because Star Trek and this movie are huge with that crowd.

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* As far as that goes, hasn't the running line—continuously intoned by the Disgruntled Old Guard of Trek for the last four years—been that "the 2009 Star Trek was aimed exclusively at the kiddies/Twilight crowd/Generation ADD," and that the older audiences (We Who Have Carried Trek All This Way and Kept It Alive Throughout the Lean Years™) were being shut out?

Whatever happened to that notion? I'm sure I remember hearing it quite often. But now it's the kids who need to be targeted - WTF?

 

[DarthTom]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Iron Man and Superman might have larger followings, but that's only to be expected, because they always have had. If you think that Trek holds no interest for the younger age-group*, you might want to check with several million 25-and-unders on Tumblr, because Star Trek and this movie are huge with that crowd.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't make something true. Man of Steel and Ironman is more popular with younger folks than Trek. Facts are facts.

Yahoo

Only 25 percent of those who went to see "Into Darkness" were under 25 years of age. That's considerably less than the 35 percent that the previous film attracted, and it's far more older-skewing than the first-weekend audiences for Disney's "Iron Man 3," which was 45 percent under 25, 27 percent families and 21 percent teens.

 

[Ovation]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Iron Man and Superman might have larger followings, but that's only to be expected, because they always have had. If you think that Trek holds no interest for the younger age-group*, you might want to check with several million 25-and-unders on Tumblr, because Star Trek and this movie are huge with that crowd.

Anecdotal evidence doesn't make something true. Man of Steel and Ironman is more popular with younger folks than Trek. Facts are facts.

I think that point is conceded in the first sentence. He's merely pointing out that, despite being less popular with younger crowds than the other two, it isn't unpopular with them, based on his observations of numbers on a website (which is just as factual, for this purpose, as the industry numbers).

 

[TREK_GOD_1]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

Iron Man and Superman might have larger followings, but that's only to be expected, because they always have had.

You are half correct: Superman had large followings from time to time, but until the Downey Iron Man films, the character had been a steady "B" lister for more than 4 decades, with no other film adaptations other than two short lived cartoons: the 1966 Marvel Super Heroes & 1994 Marvel Action Hour--both umbrella series not exclusively focusing on IM before the Downey film.

IM was by no means a character with a large following, yet the Downey film scored big--far beyond nuTrek.

That speaks volumes for both the "B" lister..and nuTrek.

If you think that Trek holds no interest for the younger age-group*, you might want to check with several million 25-and-unders on Tumblr, because Star Trek and this movie are huge with that crowd.

Not Superman or Iron Man huge. No one is talking about this film in the broad pop cultural sense in the way seen with the better superhero movies.

 

[DarthTom]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

I think that point is conceded in the first sentence. He's merely pointing out that, despite being less popular with younger crowds than the other two, it isn't unpopular with them, based on his observations of numbers on a website (which is just as factual, for this purpose, as the industry numbers).

I was referring to the percentages in addition to the sheer volume of the fan base of both IM and MOS. It also begs the question why STID had a ten percent drop with the 25 and under crowd?

BTW, in the same article an industry insider also says this:

"It didn't grab the attention of young moviegoers, and you're not going to get your movie over $100 million with just older folks," Exhibitor Relations vice-president and senior analyst Jeff Bock told TheWrap. "It's tough to figure, because with Abrams doing it, it's really not your father's 'Star Trek.' But it needs to find that young audience in a hurry."

 

[Ovation]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

I don't know why there was a drop. I'm not dismissing it as a concern (though I think it is a smaller concern than Mr. Bock seems to think, given that Trek has busted through 200 million so far, domestically, and more so overseas). I was just responding to the idea that you thought M'Sharak had not acknowledged your overall point regarding the other two franchises.

 

[Belz...]

Re: Why would someone avoid STID but see Iron Man & Man Of Steel? spoi

During the fight in Metropolis he doesn't try to save a single person until the very last part of the fight with Zod.

But that doesn't remove what I said. We see him save and help people throughout the movie. In fact, doing or not doing so is the main theme. That's how Lois tracks him down. Also, during the fight in Smallville, he pulls his punches in the diner because there are people there, and the female Kryptonian calls him on it.

Let me reiterate, critics agree with me.

Exactly.

Critics don't mean much, except that critics liked or dislike a movie.

I think, aside from Box office revenue, the only objective measure of a film's success is longevity i.e. how influent and memorable it is. But that's sometimes hard to measure.