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Why Weren´t There Two Picards Fighting Soran In The Final Fight?
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Not enough scenery to feed two.
That was always my bit pet peeve plot hole about this movie. Why didn't he just come out a week earlier or whatever. Save his relatives from the fire, prevent the Enterprise from being destroyed (along with whoever died in the crash), prevent Soran from blowing up a planet or two, etc.
I always wondered why that didn't happen.
I always wondered why that didn't happen.
Yeah! I can see it - a tiny bit more discussion between Picard and Kirk in the Nexus involving the deaths of Kirk's son and Picard's family, ending with Kirk telling Picard, "So, you say we can leave to anywhere we want, any time we want?.... Go take care of your family. I'll handle this Soran fellow."
Then we see Picard come out of the Nexus and save his family. And then, we see Kirk come back out of the Nexus....on the Enterprise-B, shortly after he disappeared! Soran is committed for his mental problems, and Guinan says she will look after him.
Then we see old Kirk, in a small TNG style ship, in the path of the Nexus. He activates some strange device on the console, and the Nexus hits, and the scene fades, and fades back in with younger Kirk, in the area where he was having his discussion with Picard in the Nexus. Then, he smiles, and turns, and as perspective shifts, you realize that he's now standing beside his command chair on the Enterprise as she rides down into the Genesis planet. He touches the arm, almost like he's hesitant for a moment, but then he sits down, typical Kirk, and rides it down.
Picard arrives back aboard the -D, and the ceremony for Worf's promotion starts again. It is interrupted at the same place as before, causing a worried look to cross Picard's face, but this time, it is Starfleet Command ordering the Enterprise to Utopia Planitia for extensive upgrades, and R&R for the crew. The party resumes, invigorated by the news, and the scene pulls back and washes out to credits.
Whatya think?
I'm beginning to suspect this is all a conspiracy on the part of the writers, producers, scientists and forum hosts to get us poor Trek fans onto these boards and talk, scream and fight at the top of our lungs while they watch dispassionately recording our responses for some great statistical study of human nature. 
Jus' kiddin' of course. :P
Jus' kiddin' of course. :P
The whole last third of Generations is terrible. As if no-one involved with the movie put their hand up and said "Er, excuse me, but...."
And ending I had in mind would've been to have Kirk pilot the Enterprise-A (don't ask me where he got it) into the flight path of the missile heading towards the sun.
And ending I had in mind would've been to have Kirk pilot the Enterprise-A (don't ask me where he got it) into the flight path of the missile heading towards the sun.
Someone here scripted a different ending wherein Kirk ends up alone on the Enterprise-D (what's a couple of letters here nad there?) and accomplishes a kamikaze crash to save everyone. Pretty nice.
Kirk & Picard taking the "moral high-ground" with regards to not altering the timeline or something.
Because if they could go back and change stuff from whatever time, I'm sure Kirk would try to go back to before some other horrific incident that resulted in a loss of a lot of lives and prevented that, or Picard would have gone back and made sure he didn't get assimilated by the Borg and avoided Wolf 359, or any of a number of things that would change the timeline in uncontrollable ways. That's just my rationalization. They should have given the issue some lipservice on screen.
Actually having only one Picard is consistent with the way time travel seems to work in Star Trek.
Going way back to the TOS episode Tomorrow is yesterday, Captain John Christopher of the USAF is pulled out of his plane by the Enterprise
transporters and after much messing about the Enterprise briefly travels
back to that point in time and beams Christopher back to where he was.
For no reason that I ever understood this apparently left only one
Christopher who was never taken aboard the Enterprise.
Now just in case you think that the writer was on crack, this model of time travel was shown again in the Enterprise story Shockwave when Daniels puts Archer back in time to the day before Broken Bow. Archer has the good grace to ask where his other self is but is simply told he wouldn't understand.
So it seems the later you would over write the new you if you travel into your own past.
Going way back to the TOS episode Tomorrow is yesterday, Captain John Christopher of the USAF is pulled out of his plane by the Enterprise
transporters and after much messing about the Enterprise briefly travels
back to that point in time and beams Christopher back to where he was.
For no reason that I ever understood this apparently left only one
Christopher who was never taken aboard the Enterprise.
Now just in case you think that the writer was on crack, this model of time travel was shown again in the Enterprise story Shockwave when Daniels puts Archer back in time to the day before Broken Bow. Archer has the good grace to ask where his other self is but is simply told he wouldn't understand.
So it seems the later you would over write the new you if you travel into your own past.
Why weren't there two Picards Fighting Soran In The Final Fight?
Well try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
Well try to imagine all life as you know it stopping instantaneously and every molecule in your body exploding at the speed of light.
I don't see the jump to multiple Picards being that logical. The Nexus doesn't create anything "real" in terms of physical reality, so how could it create another Picard? One goes in, one comes out.
On the timing issue: I haven't seen GEN in a while, but where is it suggested that Picard has much of any control over when/where he emerges?
A couple of things I thought off from reading posts above were that maybe the Nexus does something where if a person wishes to leave at a certain point in time then if there is version of them at that point in time then the Nexus will transfer them out Quantum Leap style but in the case of Kirk coming out with Picard on Veridian then as he was never there then the Nexus would then transfer Kirk out as a full physical person also becuase Kirk didn't exist in the universe anywhere between 2293 and 2371 so the problem of making duplicates would still be avoided.
This is all assuming the Nexus has some degree of awareness, like a part of it could be a alive to an extent to allow this to happen.
This is all assuming the Nexus has some degree of awareness, like a part of it could be a alive to an extent to allow this to happen.
YEAH. Picard is still in the Nexus! Worf and some others escaped from the crash site in time so they can be on DS9 later on. Now Worf's depressions in "way of the Warrior" finally make sense, most of his comrades died.
Also, Voyager and all TNG movies are not real.
Enterprise, on the other hand, is Picard hallucinating about Riker's collection of crappy holodeck programs.
The Borg Queen is Nexus Picard making sense of and coming to terms with his role during the Borg incident. Nemesis and INS are glitches in the Nexus.
Also, Voyager and all TNG movies are not real.
Enterprise, on the other hand, is Picard hallucinating about Riker's collection of crappy holodeck programs.
The Borg Queen is Nexus Picard making sense of and coming to terms with his role during the Borg incident. Nemesis and INS are glitches in the Nexus.
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