It's worth remembering that Berman threatened a DS9 crossover if Enterprise had made it into a 5th season. I doubt i was the only Niner who was pleased that this didn't get a chance to happen
Why wasn't there ever a ds9 movie?
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Same way as 'These are the Voyages...' crossed over with TNG, only with Quark's holosuites and Vic Fontaine!
Exactly my thoughts. Hey, maybe it would have even made more people to check out DS9. Alas, now it's a lost opportunity.
By only barely mentioning the Dominion war in Insurrection and Nemesis, it did make those last two movies seem odd.
It was if the writers or producers were being very careful not to involve DS9 and make it a 'T.N.G story'.
I think if they went ahead and made Insurrection about the Dominion war, it would have been successful, because that was exactly what people wanted to see.
I don't think it was a coincidence that First Contact had the Borg battle in it, and was successful.
Instead of space action the decision was 'let's make it a character story' and they focused on the colony issue in Insurrection, and Picard's clone in Nemesis.
The problem is, the plot, the colony and it's characters was boring to watch (on the big screen) and the clone character and plot in Nemesis and plot was boring and cliche as well.
In the tv show, episodes about colonies didn't always work except for a few, because of the way trek portrays non speaking characters, they seem like cut out characters.
And you need to care about the characters to make an episode watchable. The other characters were to cliche to watch too.
In Nemesis, Picard's clone is bitter against Picard, wants to destroy the Federation and has a big ship with a super weapon, that the crew must stop in time, etc.
Not only that, but they always had an excuse to bring Worf back in the last 3 movies, even though he was serving aboard DS9 or an ambassador to the Klingon empire.
They had to keep the old gang together.
But the first two movies, I really liked, well done.
It was if the writers or producers were being very careful not to involve DS9 and make it a 'T.N.G story'.
I think if they went ahead and made Insurrection about the Dominion war, it would have been successful, because that was exactly what people wanted to see.
I don't think it was a coincidence that First Contact had the Borg battle in it, and was successful.
Instead of space action the decision was 'let's make it a character story' and they focused on the colony issue in Insurrection, and Picard's clone in Nemesis.
The problem is, the plot, the colony and it's characters was boring to watch (on the big screen) and the clone character and plot in Nemesis and plot was boring and cliche as well.
In the tv show, episodes about colonies didn't always work except for a few, because of the way trek portrays non speaking characters, they seem like cut out characters.
And you need to care about the characters to make an episode watchable. The other characters were to cliche to watch too.
In Nemesis, Picard's clone is bitter against Picard, wants to destroy the Federation and has a big ship with a super weapon, that the crew must stop in time, etc.
Not only that, but they always had an excuse to bring Worf back in the last 3 movies, even though he was serving aboard DS9 or an ambassador to the Klingon empire.
They had to keep the old gang together.
But the first two movies, I really liked, well done.
It's quite possible that Paramount did not want to take a chance with an African-American character as the lead in a Trek or sci-fi movie.
Maybe. But Paramount did produce Event Horizon, one of my fave sci-fi movies. Then again most people probably wouldn't equate Brooks as being on the level of Fishburne.
Somehow I don't think it's very likely, though.
Disillusioned
Commander
That seems pretty unlikely to me, too. It just comes down to Paramount thinking the average moviegoer is stupid and would be confused to have a movie without a ship named Enterprise and either the TOS or the TNG crew. That's pretty much the sad reality from what I can tell.
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In a Ron D. Moore Interview he recalls that Rick told Ira something to the effect of
"DS9 WILL NEVER Carry The Flag for STAR TREK Voyager would"
In a Ron D. Moore Interview he recalls that Rick told Ira something to the effect of
"DS9 WILL NEVER Carry The Flag for STAR TREK Voyager would"
YET another reason FOR NO DS9 Movie
Well if they tried to do one for a dead guy it would be tougher since Sisko basically killed himself to save the prophets.
But if they reduced the Sisko role to a cameo, it would be even worse: apart from antagonising the core fans it would make the lead a woman (Kira). No, no, no. Won't do at all
The ratings don't tell you everything. 80s sitcoms had much much higher ratings than TNG during their runs, but while Americans still know Captain Picard and the Enterprise, how many people could you find out on the street who remember anything about 227 or could tell you the characters' names from Gimme a Break?
Ask some random person which series features Captain Sisko, Odo, and Quark and he's more likely to answer "Spongebob Squarepants" than "Deep Space Nine."
Good point of view.
The idea that a movie goer who understood T.N.G would watch TNG then stop after it went off the air, and then return to watch the movies after a few years, but had no idea what the Domion was or DS9 was is silly, they would have to know.
This might be a hint, that the fans and average movie goers might have been ready for a ds9 movie:
Fans who liked the original Trek, enjoyed the film, but many more who liked the newer series did not respond as well. Perhaps in part because they wanted, expected, to see the Dominion in the next film.
They were likely disappointed with the plot and story, and did not see it twice if they saw it at all.
Perhaps Trek was catering too much to TOS and TNG fans. They (studio executives) used tracking analysis to predict how the movie goer would respond, and therefore predicted they would go see "Insurrection".
The next movie after that didn't work either, and it did have space battles and intrigue.
Perhaps they underestimated DS9 in favor TNG.
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Upon what evidence do you base that statement? I'm an original Star Trek fan who doesn't like the spinoffs as much (and not at all in the case of VOY and ENT) and I thought Insurrection was crap.
Disillusioned
Commander
INS was bad because it was boring and full of plot holes. NEM was bad because it was mind-blowingly stupid and full of plot holes.
So is Trek XI but everyone seems to love that movie. Clearly Nemesis didn't work on some other level, and I believe that the reason Nemesis gets the abuse it does is because it is very badly paced.
I think the problem with Nemesis is that its very, VERY badly made. It looks like it was re-cut, even though it's supposed to be a director's cut. The attitude of the cast to the director is that he didn't know what he was doing; & by that stage, neither did Berman, apparently. Whatever you think of the new film - & i have distinctly mixed feelings about it - it's a virtuouso piece of cinematic sleight-of-hand
(As it happens, i also like Insurrection; but it's hardly a cinematic experience c.1997. If Paramount had ever gotten their mind around the made-for-dvd market, it would have been a blockbuster on silver plastic)
(As it happens, i also like Insurrection; but it's hardly a cinematic experience c.1997. If Paramount had ever gotten their mind around the made-for-dvd market, it would have been a blockbuster on silver plastic)
