Why was the 4th season so much better than the rest?
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I think Space Nazi/Archer fanfic would get rather dark (like those 70s concentration camp soft-porn movies).
It would be in the Hurt/Heal category.
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I don't know about anyone else but I developed a nasty, involuntary eye-roll habit every time I heard the term 'temporal cold war' while watching ENT. If we're going to do time travel as a means to influence events, then all things that actually happen are out the window, really. I was hoping that the whole temporal cold war's ending would stop the whole time travel nonsense because it was getting old by the end of S4. Perhaps that whole affair would have been wrapped up in season five (which I'm still waiting on, BTW) by having Suliban join the fledgling Federation, along with Shran and the Andorians. Don't know if any of that was in the works, but it was, in my mind anyway...
Season 4 was a mixed bag, for me. When we finally get to spend a lot of time on Vulcan, it just wasn't that impressive. For example, our first look at a sehlat that won't climb, that's easily frightened away and is only onscreen for a few seconds. And the Fire Plains with their reptetitive giant statues just copied and pasted, one after another didn't do the trick, for me. The episodes overall did seem to be better constructed, but they weren't really better stories. I thought Season 3 did a better job at being more interesting. The make-up department looked like it was operating on a TOS budget, in Season 4. T'Pol looked much prettier thoughout, though ... her Vulcan look seemed improved.
Yes, I totally thought T'pol was more attractive in S4 (and even S3) My only gripe is that I thought she should have been in the standard Starfleet issue uniform once she resigned from the High Command and became a Starfleet officer. I think it was Twilight that had her wearing the uniform, and she looked nice in it. And I took her a little more seriously as an actual Starfleet officer rather than some attaché.
What I don't understand is that it's the same group of people that gave us every STAR TREK before it. Now, when they introduced Kes, in VOY, they burdened Jennifer with such a nappy wig, that words fail in describing the atrociousness of it. Towards the end of her run, she was allowed to sport wigs that looked more naturalistic, in a sense. The point is, the STAR TREK people figured out, finally, that using a nappy wig on a cutey doesn't work.
And then years and YEARS later -wouldn't you just know it? - Jolene comes along and they slap a nappy wig on her, out of the same cheap bin they found Kes' wig in, instead of taking lessons learned from last time! And until Season 4, they kind of stayed with it ... it's like ... it defies Common Sense, in a way. If the nappy wig didn't work the last time - OK? - why would it work this time? I guess "they" must have such a supply of nappy wigs, that they feel forced into making use of them, since they're paid for, already ...
And then years and YEARS later -wouldn't you just know it? - Jolene comes along and they slap a nappy wig on her, out of the same cheap bin they found Kes' wig in, instead of taking lessons learned from last time! And until Season 4, they kind of stayed with it ... it's like ... it defies Common Sense, in a way. If the nappy wig didn't work the last time - OK? - why would it work this time? I guess "they" must have such a supply of nappy wigs, that they feel forced into making use of them, since they're paid for, already ...
Kes went from a mushroom head to a cocker spaniel.
T'Pol went from a mushroom head to an attractive woman.
ALL the mushroom head wigs should be burned.
T'Pol went from a mushroom head to an attractive woman.
ALL the mushroom head wigs should be burned.
I'm not sure what you mean - the TCW was wrapped up in season 4 episode 2, after which there was no more time travel.
The makeup in the Andorian arc was great. I noticed the budget more in the small sets.
Perhaps I am unique in never paying much attention to T'Pol's hair. She always looked basically the same to me.
Truer words were never typed!
The fumes from Shran's make-up were burning Comb's eyeballs right out of their sockets and you could always see that. Then, in Season 4, it doesn't seem to have been a problem, anymore, for some reason.
As for Jolene Blalock looking "the same," she was a model at the time, so her face was called on to do all of the "work," as far as the Vulcan-look went. The only actress who ever had it worse in STAR TREK was Persis Khambatta. But most of the time, if a sexy woman's face is framed well by great hair, it's like ... the Lottery's been won. But even way, WAY back in the 60's when wig technology wasn't so high-tech, and TOS had like ... NO money ... the Vulcan/Romulan women's hair didn't draw any attention to itself. Well .. at least not in a bad way.
Can you give me your definition of the word "nappy"? By my understanding of the definition of the word, neither T'Pol or Kes' wigs could have been described as "nappy"
Are you saying here, that you didn't like Persis Khambatta's look because she was bald? To each his own in this regard, it is purely subjective, but I thought Persis was frigging gorgeous in "The Motion Picture", and that includes her face. Whenever the movie is on, I try my best to watch at least until I see Iliya after Vger takes her over. To this day, I still say she had the best legs of any female in Trek, movie and TV. Jolene had the best body, second best legs.
As for T'Pol's look; the original catsuit, although worn extremely well by Jolene, left much to be desired esthetically. The original wig was not great. In season 2 they began fixing the wig and she started looking even more beautifuler.
In season 2 they also introduced the white catsuit which is still my favorite.In season 3, they got the wig all straightened out, introduced more catsuits, and T'Pol was flat out stunning the entire season. For whatever reason, Jolene seemed to have a great tan for the entire season.
At the start of shooting for season 4, Jolene had the flu which is the reason she looks imaciated for at least the first half of the season. She looks healthy by the last episodes -- well, at least up to the point where they shot TaTV.
Overall, season 3 was T'Pol's best look, IMO.
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Persis Khambatta actually cried when her hair was shaved completely off:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WHgdGTQiVbc
When I first saw her tears ... I died, inside! A woman's hair frames and compliments her face to a great extent - possibly greater than we know. Hair enhances beauty, underscores and extra-bolds it. For this role, she was denied that asset, out of necessity. That's all I meant. I am in complete agreement, with your assessment of Persis Khambatta. She was impossibly beautiful and I suspect she wouldn't have gotten the job, otherwise.
Indeed. It was unattractive, unflattering and low quality. As Kor describes it, it's a "bad, shaggy wig." This is what I was referring to, describing her wig as being "nappy."
I thought Jolene looked CUTE in TATV! When she was talking to Riker who was starring as the mysterious chef, especially. The lighting flattered her very nicely in the galley. But she looked gorgeous throughout. I do have to disagree about Season 3 being her best look, but ... it was starting to come together then, and it begs the question of what took "them" so long? Season 4 they tarted her up, appropriately ...In season 2 they began fixing the wig and she started looking even more beautifuler.
In season 3, they got the wig all straightened out, introduced more catsuits, and T'Pol was flat out stunning the entire season. For whatever reason, Jolene seemed to have a great tan for the entire season.
At the start of shooting for season 4, Jolene had the flu which is the reason she looks imaciated for at least the first half of the season. She looks healthy by the last episodes -- well, at least up to the point where they shot TaTV.
Overall, season 3 was T'Pol's best look, IMO.
I meant without hair, just to clarify. Some of us need hair more than others. Persis definitely did not. I understand why she may have been upset, back when the movie was made, you hardly saw bald men, let alone bald women. Had the movie been shot today, I don't think it would have been any big deal.
Just for the record, "nappy" and "shaggy" aren't the same thing. "Nappy" , when used to describe hair, generally means "kinky" or "knotted". Neither Kes' wig nor especially, T'Pol's were knotted or kinky.
Maybe that's the reason he felt the need to lean over and start slobbering all over her holo-self. But you missed my point with my comment about T'Pol looking healthy up until TaTV was shot.
I have no idea of what you're talking about here.
I had previously said that, although she was supposed to have come to terms with her emotions by s4, T'pol spent the first part of the season looking like she was on the verge of a breakdown. If this flu thing is true, that would explain her weepy look in those eps. So thanks for the info.
I'm talking about T'pol's using cosmetics like a hotty would. I'm talking about wigs that look realistic and styled ... possibly even tinted. I'm talking about Season 4 finally realising that it's OK for Jolene Blalock to look great on STAR TREK television ... if somewhat belatedly.
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