Why was Sisko Mad at Pickard

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I can understand the pain that Benjamine felt over Jennifers death, however, he must have understood that Pickard was not acting on his own, he was under the influence of The Borg. There is NO WAY that Pickard would have done what he did if he had any control over his actions at Wolf-359, does anyone think that Benjamine over reacted when he first met Pickard on DS-9...

 

[Darth_Pazuzu]

"Is there a John-Luck Pickard here?"

 

[jgdst]

"Is there a John-Luck Pickard here?"

Shame on you

I don't think he over-reacted to be honest. The whole bit for Sisko in the pilot is that he's never really properly gotten over Jennifer, so he'll probably be thinking "well why didn't you TRY harder to fight them?!" when he's talking to Picard.

By the end of the episode, he's learned how to grieve properly, and can accept that Picard was not acting of free will... though I doubt they'd ever be best buds, but he no longer holds Picard personally responsible.

I have to admit, I never feel comfortable watching that. I'm thinking "HEY, new boy... That's The PI-CAAAARD you're talking to, have some respect." I actually feel a little bit sorry for Picard, but being the diplomat he is, he changes his outward expression to Sisko to keep it all business and make it as short as possible.

It can't be easy for him knowing he's going to come face to face with people that were hurt as a direct result of his assimilation. It would've been nice to see a little bit more of that kind of interaction on TNG, as I don't think Sisko would've been alone in his reaction.

 

[KevasTrader]

Knowing that Picard wasn't responsible for his actions is of little comfort to Sisko at the start of the story.

Jennifer's death will always leave a raw nerve.

Picard was still the instrument that the Borg used to kill all of those people, including Jennifer. They used Picard's knowledge against his own race, etc.

Picard could (possibly) have sacrificed himself in order to prevent the Borg from gaining any advantage.

And in the end, after assimilation and the battle, Picard was alive and Jennifer was dead.

So, of course, Sisko was angry.

But in the end there was an uneasy truce between the two.

 

[RobertScorpio]

I can understand the pain that Benjamine felt over Jennifers death, however, he must have understood that Pickard was not acting on his own, he was under the influence of The Borg. There is NO WAY that Pickard would have done what he did if he had any control over his actions at Wolf-359, does anyone think that Benjamine over reacted when he first met Pickard on DS-9...

Well..I think Sisko is right on the mark.. Picard knew all through part one of BOBW that the Borg were coming for him...they told him from the outset...I was in the military for 25 years and I can absolutely tell you that procedures are in play to not allow someone with that much military knowledge about starfleet strategies to be captured...now, had they thrown in a scene where he tried to take him self out, but failed, I would have been happy...but instead, they show him walking through the borg ship, at a gingerly pace I might add...not struggling one bit...

He was a fool to let him self get captured...and he compounded it by not ending the borg when he had a chance in IBORG...

If I were sisko, I would have knocked him on his arrogant ass and then spit on him...

Rob
Scorpio

 

[kissthestar]

So then, what would have happened to the Romulon commander in TOS "Enterprise Incident"? I shudder to imagine...

 

[Cyke101]

I can understand the pain that Benjamine felt over Jennifers death, however, he must have understood that Pickard was not acting on his own, he was under the influence of The Borg. There is NO WAY that Pickard would have done what he did if he had any control over his actions at Wolf-359, does anyone think that Benjamine over reacted when he first met Pickard on DS-9...

If anyone ever loses their spouse and many of their friends and colleagues in one fell swoop, I don't think anyone could be accused of overreacting. It would be quite sensible and natural.

As for Sisko blaming Picard, on one hand, he did have a right to. On the other hand, we all naturally tend to look for scapegoats, as that's human nature. In fact, that was one of the points about Emissary, that Sisko stop scapegoating Picard and that he should move on with his life to bigger and better things. That fact was cemented when Sisko confronted Picard in the end in a positive way, where Picard thought Sisko was being flaky but rather Sisko decided to embrace the job at DS9.

 

[jgdst]

Well..I think Sisko is right on the mark.. Picard knew all through part one of BOBW that the Borg were coming for him...they told him from the outset...I was in the military for 25 years and I can absolutely tell you that procedures are in play to not allow someone with that much military knowledge about starfleet strategies to be captured...now, had they thrown in a scene where he tried to take him self out, but failed, I would have been happy...but instead, they show him walking through the borg ship, at a gingerly pace I might add...not struggling one bit...

He was a fool to let him self get captured...and he compounded it by not ending the borg when he had a chance in IBORG...

If I were sisko, I would have knocked him on his arrogant ass and then spit on him...

Rob
Scorpio

I'm a bit fuzzy on the deatils of the early Borg appearances, but up until Best of Both Worlds, were Starfleet actually aware that assimilation was on the Borg's agenda?

As I recall, their only experience was the Borg's intention of destruction - Romulan outposts going silent, cutting a section out of the Enterprise's hull, scooping out the planet colony.

Maybe this ignorance of the Borg's true purpose is the reason for Picard not contemplating suicide - for all he knew, they were just taking him to interrogate him, which he could have believed he was strong enough to resist.

I could be wrong on that, and it was revealed in Q Who that they assimilate, in which case, ignore everything I just wrote

 

[HRHTheKING]

I can understand the pain that Benjamine felt over Jennifers death, however, he must have understood that Pickard was not acting on his own, he was under the influence of The Borg. There is NO WAY that Pickard would have done what he did if he had any control over his actions at Wolf-359, does anyone think that Benjamine over reacted when he first met Pickard on DS-9...

Sisko was angry because the weakling Picard couldn't resist the Borg.

Probably because secretly, Picard loved the Borg and wanted to be one of them.

If anything, Sisko under-reacted. He should have murdered Picard right there in the conference room with his teapot.

 

[Herbert1]

Perhaps Sisko's hostility toward Picard is out of character for the "highly evolved" humanity that Gene Roddenberry insisted in Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I found that Sisko's hostility toward Picard to be much more realistic and dramatic. Picard is guilty of the involuntary manslaughter of 11,000 and the destruction of 39 starships. Not something that can be easily forgiven or forgotten.

 

[Mysterion]

Perhaps Sisko's hostility toward Picard is out of character for the "highly evolved" humanity that Gene Roddenberry insisted in Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I found that Sisko's hostility toward Picard to be much more realistic and dramatic. Picard is guilty of the involuntary manslaughter of 11,000 and the destruction of 39 starships. Not something that can be easily forgiven or forgotten.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've always thought Picard comes off like a real douche in that scene.

 

[Braxton]

Perhaps Sisko's hostility toward Picard is out of character for the "highly evolved" humanity that Gene Roddenberry insisted in Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I found that Sisko's hostility toward Picard to be much more realistic and dramatic. Picard is guilty of the involuntary manslaughter of 11,000 and the destruction of 39 starships. Not something that can be easily forgiven or forgotten.

Humanity can be 'highly evolved' but can you seriously tell me that meeting the person that was responsible for the death of your wife, you'd still be 'highly evolved'? I don't think so. If anything, he was rather polite about it. Yes, he was frank and to the point, but many people would have tried to either kill Picard or seriously injure him. The book for this episode (while not canon) tells us that Sisko is the first survivor of Wolf 359 Picard met in person. Looking at Picards reaction you can tell he was devastated after hearing Sisko metion that dreaded battle and after he left.

 

[Cyke101]

Perhaps Sisko's hostility toward Picard is out of character for the "highly evolved" humanity that Gene Roddenberry insisted in Star Trek: The Next Generation. But I found that Sisko's hostility toward Picard to be much more realistic and dramatic. Picard is guilty of the involuntary manslaughter of 11,000 and the destruction of 39 starships. Not something that can be easily forgiven or forgotten.

I don't know about anyone else, but I've always thought Picard comes off like a real douche in that scene.

Heck, Picard was ready to be a douche in the end of the episode, until Sisko cut him off at the pass

 

[MeanJoePhaser]

It was Starfleet's fault for putting families on starships that can be called into battle.

 

[Photon]

MoFo Peekerd lucky Sisko didn't go thug on his white ass, and fuggin beat him 'til his bref quit stankin'. MoFo Peekerd be layin' his Fraich-British azz up in sick bay w/mortal wounds to solah plexus and then he be shittin' the bed. Ya know what I mean?

Then Pimp Daddy Sisko take MoFo Peekerd's bitch-ho slap da shit out her and make her squal like pig like a big turd stuck her azz-w/Sisko's big 9.

 

[Silversmok3]

I can't speak to what Sisko would be going through as I've (thankfully) never lost a loved one as he has,but Sisko would be justified in being angry towards Picard.

As stated above,Picard put himself in a situation that resulted in him being compromised.And the consequences were the deaths of hundreds at Wolf 359.

I know this is Star Trek and that Picard didn't understand what he was getting into,but in any other organization Sisko wouldn't be speaking to Picard,unless it was a prison visit.

That's not to say Picard is not a capable or intelligent commander,but that incident honestly should have caused at minimum a courts-martial to be convened.

Which should be all the more reason for Sisko to be pissed off.

 

[DGCatAniSiri]

I'm a bit fuzzy on the deatils of the early Borg appearances, but up until Best of Both Worlds, were Starfleet actually aware that assimilation was on the Borg's agenda?

As I recall, their only experience was the Borg's intention of destruction - Romulan outposts going silent, cutting a section out of the Enterprise's hull, scooping out the planet colony.

Maybe this ignorance of the Borg's true purpose is the reason for Picard not contemplating suicide - for all he knew, they were just taking him to interrogate him, which he could have believed he was strong enough to resist.

I could be wrong on that, and it was revealed in Q Who that they assimilate, in which case, ignore everything I just wrote

No, in Q Who, Q indicated that the Borg were solely interested in the technology, not the people. At the time, there were no indications that the Borg were at all concerned or even fully aware of the people operating that technology.

Add to that, in the one scene we had of Picard before he became Locutus, he had drones flanking him, indicators of being guards or wardens or something. Obviously he was being kept under observation and the Borg would likely be able to stop any sort of attempt Picard made to take his own life. And there's obviously no way to escape a Borg cube with a population of tens of thousands.

 

[dave_R_treker]

but instead, they show him walking through the borg ship, at a gingerly pace I might add...not struggling one bit...



Rob
Scorpio

Though Picard could have already been assimilated at this time, and thats why he didn't put up a struggle.

 

[scorpius1701]

I can't speak to what Sisko would be going through as I've (thankfully) never lost a loved one as he has,but Sisko would be justified in being angry towards Picard.

As stated above,Picard put himself in a situation that resulted in him being compromised.And the consequences were the deaths of hundreds at Wolf 359.

I know this is Star Trek and that Picard didn't understand what he was getting into,but in any other organization Sisko wouldn't be speaking to Picard,unless it was a prison visit.

That's not to say Picard is not a capable or intelligent commander,but that incident honestly should have caused at minimum a courts-martial to be convened.

Which should be all the more reason for Sisko to be pissed off.

How is that Picard's fault? Drones beamed onto the ship and abducted him, he was clearly zapped with something from the one that took him. When he got to the Borg ship, he was clearly under guard so what was he supposed to do? It's not like he surrendered himself when the Borg first told him they wanted him.

 

[EEE]

I was in the military for 25 years and I can absolutely tell you that procedures are in play to not allow someone with that much military knowledge about starfleet strategies to be captured.

As retired military myself, I can absolutely tell you there are NO procedures in any country, to protect someone from capture on the basis of science fiction television show knowledge. *couldn't-stop-myself-grin*