Which series are you referring to when you say mainly white characters?
Why was Enterprise received so poorly?
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Which series are you referring to when you say mainly white characters?
I will say this the one thing I love about Enterprise is that the characters started off naive young explorers but the Xindi mission really changed them and showed that they can't be just explorers but also soldiers and dipolmats.
And terrorists and pirates.
Terrorists? Also They committed one act of piracy but they compensated them with food, supplies and trellium. Archer was so disgusted by having to resort to that but he knew without that warp coil, he had no chance of meeting degra and stopping the xindi weapon from destroying earth.
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Janeway spent all night in "The Void" reading and rereading the Star Fleet Charter looking for some justification to give in to piracy, murdering people and taking their shit. If only she knew to read John Archers Xindi War Diary, Kath would have been sweet.
Daniels rolled back time at Azanti Prime, and asked John not to kill millions of Xindi this time around, but Archer told Futureboy to go %uck himself, because his sacred mission was too important not to trade genocides, until they knocked him on his ass and the heroic Earthman was at their Alien mercy, which turned out to be a lot more mercy than he was willing to offer the Xindi just minutes earlier.
PS
Rick "Noah Lessing" Worthy, that Equinox crewman Janeway tortured and almost murdered, was playing a Arborial Xindi, so he should have been there as a witness on Starfleet Principles, if shit worked like that.
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Why was it received so poorly? Burned out writers and the show should have waited at least a year instead of following Voyager. I blame Paramount.
Between helping out Shran at P’Jem and helping T’Pau and the Syrrannites overthrow the Vulcan High Command. Archer could be considered a terrorist, by the Vulcans at least. At minimum, by Administrator V'Las and his Romulan backers.
Archer also bombed a Xindi-Inscetoid listening post to not be detected, when he could have just sent the MACOs to stun them and kept them as POWs. And then, Archer nearly performed a kamikaze act at Azati Prime, that would have killed a bunch of Xindi.
Makes me wonder if Archer would go back and help out Zobral now.
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P'Jem is problematic too. Archer violates Vulcan's state secrets, betraying thr confidence of an ally, and threatening relationships between Earth and Vulcan.
Recalling Archer would make sense.
Recalling Archer would make sense.
There was already so much in the early Federation they could have used. They didn't have to create a 'Temporal Cold War' and the Suliban. They didn't have to create the Xindi and the spheres. Between the Klingons, Romulans, and Orions as blatant enemies, and the in-fighting between Andorians, Vulcans, Terralites and even Humans, AND exploring, there was plenty of story.
Why would the legitimate Vulcan government consider the man who helped them overthrow an illegitimate autocracy to be a "terrorist?"
I mean, of course V'Las and his Romulan handlers would consider Archer a terrorist. But so what? Their opinions are worthless.
Would the NX-01 crew really have had the resources to do that while still being able to thwart the superweapon?
I mean, what we're running into there is simple that Archer and his backs in the U.E. government clearly don't necessarily want to be Vulcan's ally, or don't necessarily want to always honor Vulcan's state secrets if they view Vulcan's behavior as objectionable.
United Earth seems to want to establish itself as an independent interstellar power, not as a Vulcan client state. They're not subscribing to Vulcan neoimperialism.
ENT would have been received far better if the showrunners had truly been allowed to make the show that they wanted, without interference from UPN.
Things like transporters, the Temporal Cold War, etc., that the network bean counters forced them to add...that's the reason the show wasn't appreciated like it should have been.
And of course the gazelle speech.
Edit: The thing at P'Jem...I can understand why the Vulcans might initially object to Archer revealing the truth about it, but it can also be argued that they would come to appreciate him getting the truth out into the open, so as to smooth relations between Vulcan and Andor. Better that the secret gets out that way, rather than a much more awkward (and possibly extremely dangerous) moment.
Even so, nobody with a functioning brain cell would regard Archer as a terrorist, because that's not his intent. Whether it be at P'Jem or otherwise, Archer's intent is to eliminate terror, lies and misunderstanding, not increase it.
Unlikely. They simply don't have the room to house a large quantity of prisoners. Hell, I think there's only room for like 2 or 3 people in the ship's brig.
I'd like to think that United Earth truly does want to be allies with Vulcan. Earth needs all the help they can get, after all.
Things like transporters, the Temporal Cold War, etc., that the network bean counters forced them to add...that's the reason the show wasn't appreciated like it should have been.
And of course the gazelle speech.
Edit: The thing at P'Jem...I can understand why the Vulcans might initially object to Archer revealing the truth about it, but it can also be argued that they would come to appreciate him getting the truth out into the open, so as to smooth relations between Vulcan and Andor. Better that the secret gets out that way, rather than a much more awkward (and possibly extremely dangerous) moment.
Even so, nobody with a functioning brain cell would regard Archer as a terrorist, because that's not his intent. Whether it be at P'Jem or otherwise, Archer's intent is to eliminate terror, lies and misunderstanding, not increase it.
Unlikely. They simply don't have the room to house a large quantity of prisoners. Hell, I think there's only room for like 2 or 3 people in the ship's brig.
I'd like to think that United Earth truly does want to be allies with Vulcan. Earth needs all the help they can get, after all.
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I always wondered how long the Romulans were in charge of the Vulcan High Command. It would explain why the hell a lot of species in the galaxy seem to loathe them.
Given the lack of respect for United Earth sovereignty the Vulcan government displayed on numerous occasions, I'm at a loss as to why U.E. would want to remain under Vulcan hegemony.
Well, you split the first part of my post in two to make a point. So I'll make mine
Vulcans are not a monolith. Some could Vulcans could think that life under the High Command, under Administrator V’Las, with the High Command holding influence over Earth and other worlds, and being in conflict with Andoria was preferable to the pacifism and decolonization under T’Pau. There may have been Vulcans that were fine with an illegitimate autocracy.
Fine, T’Pau’s Vulcan see Archer as a hero. Those that disagree with T’Pau would not hold Archer in a positive light. And they don't have to be in league with V'Las and the Romulans to think that.
Also, I can very easily imagine V’Las thinking in absolutes – you’re with us or against us. And would label Shran as a terrorist and Archer being in league with them.
That’s obviously not what Archer did on P'Jem, but that not how V’Las and other Vulcans that think like him would think.
There were only two Xindi in the listening post. The NX-01 had enough room in their brig to hold them both. They could have been later released to Degra’s ship as a show of good faith.
Which he was legally empowered to do as a United Earth government official.
Clearly the democratically-elected government of United Earth does not agree, or else the United Earth Prime Minister would have ordered the U.E. Starfleet to relieve him of command.
Agreed -- United Earth lost trust in Vulcan and acted accordingly.
Imperialists often lose trust in their former vassal states when those vassal states insist on independence, this is true.
I mean, ultimately this boils down to whether you think Earth should assist Vulcan in its acts of illegal aggression against other worlds. I see no particular reason why it should.
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