If they're all giant hollow behemoths like Discovery, perhaps it's like Aperture Science from the Portal games, with rooms constantly changing and being made and unmade as needed.
Why was engineering walled off?
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yes, they reopened it for the movie. No idea why.
Perhaps for the same reason the bridge and few other things were different, they wanted the movie to feel different from the series? Weird idea.
Apologies if you're being sarcastic, but it's not weird at all. TNG was made before the age of HDTV, so you could see a lot more detail on the feature screen than you could on the TV screen, and thus they wanted to add more interesting details and texture to the sets. That's a large part of why they destroyed the ship in the first movie, so that they could build whole new sets designed for the big screen in the sequel.
possibly. But the bridge modifications made sense, this…not so much, imho.
'Generations' has been out there for 28 years and I don't remember reading about this ever before.
What a n00b that Jester is.
Enterprise-D was thrown away to have a brand new ship in movies like 'Insurrection' and 'Nemesis'....?
Even more reason to not like those films.
that’s a theory, but nothing confirms it. In fact the studio model of the enterprise was relabelled 1701-e, as evidently someone believed the next enterprise was going to be galaxy class.
Many of the sets -most notably the bridge- were struck down to make place for voyager’s, though.
This many years later and there are still things to be found. I watched TNG all the way through not too long ago, from the blu-rays, and never realized that was open.
Not a surprise they would change parts of the set, just weird they did so within the same episode. Discovery has that area to the right rear of the bridge that has changed from a cubbyhole to a corridor or larger room.
Not a surprise they would change parts of the set, just weird they did so within the same episode. Discovery has that area to the right rear of the bridge that has changed from a cubbyhole to a corridor or larger room.
I still wish they would have just re-done the interior sets of the Enterprise-D instead of destroying the ship. It would have been as easy as saying that the ship got refitted or something.
I really hated the destruction of the ship in GEN. And if that wasn't bad enough, they felt the need to show it twice.
I really hated the destruction of the ship in GEN. And if that wasn't bad enough, they felt the need to show it twice.
There is a trick in TV and film making for invoking different kinds of moods for a scene from the set. The theory is, open spaces allow for more breathing room thus invoking calm in the viewer but closed spaces are more claustrophobic for the audience.
Its use was probably useless here though. Trek fans just see a mystery, wanna know why! lol
I've said something like this before but feels like I have to say it (once) again;
Enterprise-D was almost a character in the series, that's where everything was based on, taking something like that away changes too much. (<< opinion)
I always found the D ugly, so I’m glad it went kaboom, I only wish the battle had been better.
I seem to recall that initially there was no engineering set built so Gene or someone scribbled in a scene in the pilot episode to justify getting it built. The story went that he was concerned if it wasn't built for the pilot it would never get built.
So they slapped together a set.
It does seem odd that the set changes half way through filming until you realize how the shooting schedule worked. They couldn't very well stop shooting for a construction change. Between one take and the next -- and no one will ever notice let alone discuss it obsessively decades later, right? Right.
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As for all of the engineers the ship went through -- head-canon time. There were three Galaxy class ships in service with more planned... so they were rotating candidates through the existing ships for training. The Enterprise trained several candidates, Galaxy herself trained a few more and so on, so there was an engineer pool to draw from as the ships came online.
LaForge was one such candidate. He had the leg up on everyone else as Picard personally picked him as a staff member (there was a bit of backstory about that) so he got the prize posting while MacDougal went on to Chief Engineer the USS Venture, Argyle got the Odyssey, Logan got the USS Yamato and Lynch got the Challenger. Again I have nothing to back that up that's head-canon.
The next block of ships the Galaxy Flight II and IIA models would prove to be much less combustible under expected operational conditions thanks to the logs of this first group of Chief Engineers.
"Engineering Log: Ensign Swiffberg sneezed in the general direction of the warp core, and we had to perform an emergency shutdown to repar the damage."
"Engineering Log: "Discovered that someone at the yard failed to understand what a "jettison-able hull plate for core ejection" is. Thankfully we noticed that BEFORE we had to eject the core."
"Engineering Log: "Lt. Muffslager sneezed in Engineering, catastrophic core damage nearly destroyed the ship."
So they slapped together a set.
It does seem odd that the set changes half way through filming until you realize how the shooting schedule worked. They couldn't very well stop shooting for a construction change. Between one take and the next -- and no one will ever notice let alone discuss it obsessively decades later, right? Right.
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As for all of the engineers the ship went through -- head-canon time. There were three Galaxy class ships in service with more planned... so they were rotating candidates through the existing ships for training. The Enterprise trained several candidates, Galaxy herself trained a few more and so on, so there was an engineer pool to draw from as the ships came online.
LaForge was one such candidate. He had the leg up on everyone else as Picard personally picked him as a staff member (there was a bit of backstory about that) so he got the prize posting while MacDougal went on to Chief Engineer the USS Venture, Argyle got the Odyssey, Logan got the USS Yamato and Lynch got the Challenger. Again I have nothing to back that up that's head-canon.
The next block of ships the Galaxy Flight II and IIA models would prove to be much less combustible under expected operational conditions thanks to the logs of this first group of Chief Engineers.
"Engineering Log: Ensign Swiffberg sneezed in the general direction of the warp core, and we had to perform an emergency shutdown to repar the damage."
"Engineering Log: "Discovered that someone at the yard failed to understand what a "jettison-able hull plate for core ejection" is. Thankfully we noticed that BEFORE we had to eject the core."
"Engineering Log: "Lt. Muffslager sneezed in Engineering, catastrophic core damage nearly destroyed the ship."
isn’t that set just a major overhaul of the TMP one, though?
definitely
Yes, it is, but the part that became the main room of the TNG engineering set (with the "pool table") was the corridor junction outside engineering in TMP.
There was an extra level added to engineering for Farpoint, I think it was the catwalk.
There was also a lower level added "below grade" but I think it was done as a special effect.
There was already an upper level in TMP, where Kirk first entered engineering. Do you mean they added another level above that one?
I don't remember the catwalk being used in TMP (although it's been years since i've watched it) so perhaps it was a matter of making the balcony into an active set?
An extra level was definitely used in TWoK, at the very least.
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