That's not how it works.Why not sweeten the deal and give up phasers & shield technology their peace will be even stronger
Why The UFP Would Want the Treaty Of Algeron
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Treaty of Algeron forbids both the use and development of cloacking technology?
I wonder, how do the Romulans keep an eye out for this.
In the case of Pressman they apparently failed to enforce the treaty.
But did Pressman act on his own with his cloacking project or was he told to do it by Federation?
It's been a while since I watched 'The Pegasus' so maybe that episode might tell us the answer, I don't remember it right now.
I wonder, how do the Romulans keep an eye out for this.
In the case of Pressman they apparently failed to enforce the treaty.
But did Pressman act on his own with his cloacking project or was he told to do it by Federation?
It's been a while since I watched 'The Pegasus' so maybe that episode might tell us the answer, I don't remember it right now.
Because the Feddies are bend over backwards and tie themselves into pretzel, appeasers.
The Rommies are cautions by nature and not brave. Even in the TNG era they frequently ambush Fed ships. Cloaking and decloaking with weapons charged. As well as overstepping established boundaries, violating treaties and attempting coups. We never learned what the Fed got for the Treaty of Alergon, but from Picard's stance in the Pegasus. It seems like the treaty was keeping the peace. While Pressman said it tied the Fed's hands for 80 years.
The Rommies are cautions by nature and not brave. Even in the TNG era they frequently ambush Fed ships. Cloaking and decloaking with weapons charged. As well as overstepping established boundaries, violating treaties and attempting coups. We never learned what the Fed got for the Treaty of Alergon, but from Picard's stance in the Pegasus. It seems like the treaty was keeping the peace. While Pressman said it tied the Fed's hands for 80 years.
You mean the people who aren't enemies? The ones who might be more likely to become enemies or conspire against you, if they found out you employ covert technologies that allow you to spy on them, or potentially even attack them without warning?
How much weight does "We mean you no harm" carry, when your posture is "We could obliterate you in a heartbeat, emerging from a cloak of invisibility"? Is anyone ever truly a friendly, under those circumstances, or are they just a friend out of fear?
Only in so much as he is suggesting Starfleet should approach relations with everyone as they would their most feared enemies. That is not a healthy attitude
"Cloak" is a category type word like "Firearm". A gun is still a gun, whether it fires bullets, buckshot or even lasers. Does the phasing cloak still cloak them? Then it's a cloak
There's also Admiral Blackwell's comment that "The Chief of Starfleet Intelligence is watching this one". This hints at some high level involvement, where one branch of Starfleet might be up to something that other branches wouldn't be ok with, specifically higher-ups. This is a nasty scandal in the making & I was always a little disappointed we never got any resolution on that. It's government shaking stuff.
One has to think that since nothing negative happens to Picard for being the whistle blower, then justice won the day, & Pressman & the appropriate people he might have been reporting to had their necks offered up, if for no other reason than to keep this from blowing up into a major security risk with the Romulans, who could really have them by the short hairs over something like this
In contrast, not all invisibility tricks are cloaks. That is, mere holographic duck blinds or lures don't irritate the Romulans and aren't considered secret or illegal, supposedly because the Romulans would never fall for those - they aren't military standard, and only ever fool ignorant natives or low-level opponents like the Kazon in VOY "Basics".
The phase doodad fooled Romulans even worse than any other sort, so naturally it would be a major no-no. That is, if the Ttreaty of Algeron really mattered.
Then again, Romulans breaking treaties is never a big deal. The UFP just seems to be the patient sort. Moreover, the Romulans are also the patient sort - that is, they have no patience for war, and refuse to engage in one even when the UFP blatantly breaks the treaty in, say, "The Defector".
It's not as if the Treaty of Algeron would be much of a factor at the time of "The [Pegasus" anyway: there is a Romulan Warbird poking around the asteroids even though the Treaty says Romulans should keep to their side of the RNZ! Like most treaties, it seems to be mere convenient fiction that aids a bit in conducting the practical business but yields when it becomes more of a hindrance.
Timo Saloniemi
Picard's words would of had much more meaning if Picard hadn't said them softly to Pressman's back as the Admiral was walking out of the room.
As opposed to "obliterate you in a heartbeat" from behind our shields?
In the near nine years between Pegasus and Nemesis, was Riker offer a command? Seems like those repeated offers dried up.
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