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Why the low warp factors?

Speaking of, is there evidence that Travis' Horizon is the same Horizon that was operating at the edge of the galaxy?

It was meant to be. When we see the ship and Travis's quarters aboard it (in the episode "Horizon"), his bookshelf contains a book called Chicago Gangs of the Twenties -- a typo for the Chicago Mobs of the Twenties book from "A Piece of the Action."
 
...And while those two could be completely different books on the same subject, it does sound a bit unlikely that two vessels of the same name would have a Chicago criminal history freak aboard. Unless we're talking about a continuation of the Boomer culture, so that the second Horizon is in fact the direct replacement of the first one, and the books move from one ship to another.

A completely separate Horizon, perhaps a Starfleet vessel, would make little sense in this respect. OTOH, we might want to make the ship Starfleet because the Non-Interference Directive is virtually never raised as a concern with civilian ships. Dropout Merrick in "Bread and Circuses" is essentially the sole exception. And the charges Kirk makes against him might be unrelated to the Prime Directive or the Non-Interference Directive, as Kirk only speaks generally about "interfering in the affairs of others".

Or more importantly, TOS and TNG didn't use the same warp speed chart

Quite regardless of warp speed charts, the absolute speed of 1000 ly per 10 hours is a rare achievement in all the shows - possible but reputedly devastating to the ship, and never sustained beyond said dozen hours.

12 hour run over 1000 ly, cool down for 12 hours, repeat again

I suppose the concept would be more like "12 hour run over 1000 ly, phone for a towship, buy new starship, another 12 hour run over 1000 ly, phone for a towship again, buy new starship".

Timo Saloniemi
 
Simple, Kirk was the original show, the sequel show felt the need to out do its parent show so they upped the numbers on everythng to make themselves look more high tech and powerful, it worked fine till enterprise with archer came out, that ship looked to damn high tech compared with the later ship used by kirk.
 
Simple, Kirk was the original show, the sequel show felt the need to out do its parent show so they upped the numbers on everythng to make themselves look more high tech and powerful, it worked fine till enterprise with archer came out, that ship looked to damn high tech compared with the later ship used by kirk.


The Enterprise was supposed to look advanced by 1960s standards. How do you propose making the NX-01 look less advanced than the original Enterprise but more advanced that what we have today?
 
Simple, Kirk was the original show, the sequel show felt the need to out do its parent show so they upped the numbers on everythng to make themselves look more high tech and powerful, it worked fine till enterprise with archer came out, that ship looked to damn high tech compared with the later ship used by kirk.


The Enterprise was supposed to look advanced by 1960s standards. How do you propose making the NX-01 look less advanced than the original Enterprise but more advanced that what we have today?

I don't propose an answer to that problem, i am just commenting on why there was a problem...
 
Simple, Kirk was the original show, the sequel show felt the need to out do its parent show so they upped the numbers on everythng to make themselves look more high tech and powerful, it worked fine till enterprise with archer came out, that ship looked to damn high tech compared with the later ship used by kirk.


The Enterprise was supposed to look advanced by 1960s standards. How do you propose making the NX-01 look less advanced than the original Enterprise but more advanced that what we have today?

I don't propose an answer to that problem, i am just commenting on why there was a problem...

If there's no solution then there's no problem.
 
The Enterprise was supposed to look advanced by 1960s standards. How do you propose making the NX-01 look less advanced than the original Enterprise but more advanced that what we have today?

I don't propose an answer to that problem, i am just commenting on why there was a problem...

If there's no solution then there's no problem.

Wrong, plenty of problems in the world, very few solutions that actually work to fix them, its what makes life suck so wonderfully some times.
 
I don't propose an answer to that problem, i am just commenting on why there was a problem...

If there's no solution then there's no problem.

Wrong, plenty of problems in the world, very few solutions that actually work to fix them, its what makes life suck so wonderfully some times.

Who said anything about the world? I was talking Enterprise. But nice attempt at a straw-man argument.
 
If there's no solution then there's no problem.

Wrong, plenty of problems in the world, very few solutions that actually work to fix them, its what makes life suck so wonderfully some times.

Who said anything about the world? I was talking Enterprise. But nice attempt at a straw-man argument.

Star trek is part of this world isn't it, it was written by people who live in this world.
 
Wrong, plenty of problems in the world, very few solutions that actually work to fix them, its what makes life suck so wonderfully some times.

Who said anything about the world? I was talking Enterprise. But nice attempt at a straw-man argument.

Star trek is part of this world isn't it, it was written by people who live in this world.

It's a fictional television program and what works in a fictional world doesn't always work in the real world (or vise versa).
 
Who said anything about the world? I was talking Enterprise. But nice attempt at a straw-man argument.

Star trek is part of this world isn't it, it was written by people who live in this world.

It's a fictional television program and what works in a fictional world doesn't always work in the real world (or vise versa).

I wasn't talking about what works in their world, I was taliking about how executives, directors, and producers create that world.
 
Star trek is part of this world isn't it, it was written by people who live in this world.

It's a fictional television program and what works in a fictional world doesn't always work in the real world (or vise versa).

I wasn't talking about what works in their world, I was taliking about how executives, directors, and producers create that world.

So I ask you again, how would you make the technology of the NX-01 look even more primitive than the technology of the original Enterprise. If there's a solution please tell me what it is.
 
It's a fictional television program and what works in a fictional world doesn't always work in the real world (or vise versa).

I wasn't talking about what works in their world, I was taliking about how executives, directors, and producers create that world.

So I ask you again, how would you make the technology of the NX-01 look even more primitive than the technology of the original Enterprise. If there's a solution please tell me what it is.


I'd model the NX-01 to look mor like the Constitution class starship, inside and out, and less like the Constellation class starship, some fans might complain but the core trekkies would respect the effort.
 
And the Core Trekkies wouldn't number enough to keep such a show from getting canceled in less than one season.

Let's be realistic here folks, it just wasn't going to work. It doesn't help than TOS wasn't written with prequels in mind like Star Wars was.
 
TOS was the future as seen through the eyes of the 1960's. ENT was the future seen through the eyes of the 2000's.

It needs explaining no more than when a character (like Saavik) is recast. You suspend your disbelief and carry on.
 
...And while those two could be completely different books on the same subject, it does sound a bit unlikely that two vessels of the same name would have a Chicago criminal history freak aboard. Unless we're talking about a continuation of the Boomer culture, so that the second Horizon is in fact the direct replacement of the first one, and the books move from one ship to another.

Although the lack of *identical* book names could also point to different ships or even different quantum universes :)

Or more importantly, TOS and TNG didn't use the same warp speed chart
Quite regardless of warp speed charts, the absolute speed of 1000 ly per 10 hours is a rare achievement in all the shows - possible but reputedly devastating to the ship, and never sustained beyond said dozen hours.

You mean 1000 ly per 10 hours only happened in TOS, right Timo? The next fastest speed was also in TOS, "Obsession" had the Enterprise make 1000-2000 light year trip in 40 hours. And the 3rd fastest was from TOS' "Breads and Circuses" although it was less than a minute but covered 1/16th of a parsec. No TNG+ episode has any comparable speed (AFAIK) and Voyager pins Warp 9.9 at only 59 LY / day.

That's why they're on two different charts.
 
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