Why the hatred for Voyager?

[Anwar]

DS9's writers didn't have UPN breathing down their necks all the time, constraining them, forbidding certain stories, having their ideas vetoed all the time and stuff.

Also, VOY's Exec Producers at the start (Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller) were ad odds over how to do the show: PIller wanted it more like how Moore did nuBSG, while Taylor wanted a light-hearted show where the crew got along/

Ad before anyone says Berman had anything to do with it, he had as much involvement in VOY as he did in DS9.

 

[number6]

Anwar said:
DS9's writers didn't have UPN breathing down their necks all the time, constraining them, forbidding certain stories, having their ideas vetoed all the time and stuff.

Also, VOY's Exec Producers at the start (Jeri Taylor and Michael Piller) were ad odds over how to do the show: PIller wanted it more like how Moore did nuBSG, while Taylor wanted a light-hearted show where the crew got along/

Ad before anyone says Berman had anything to do with it, he had as much involvement in VOY as he did in DS9.

Something most fans forget, because they would rather blame B&B for a rainy day.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And when a child is raised by wolves, do we blame the parents or the wolves?

 

[exodus]

donners22 said:

exodus said:

donners22 said:

exodus said:

donners22 said: I think you each know people with far too much time on their hands...

I think you need to keep your assumptions of people you don't know to yourself. To do so is not only rude but very ignorant as well. It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


This is one thing I'll never understand about some posters on this site. They think they have the right to judge others & their lives based solely upon their opinions of a stupid sci-fi TV show.

Goodness, aren't we touchy?

If people can watch roughly 140 hours of something they DON'T LIKE, then I think that is (besides baffling) worthy of a rather mild, tongue-in-cheek jab. I thought that in the context of a relatively intelligent debate, I would not need a dozen safety smilies.

The point was more to do with a highlight that the comment that people watched the entirity of DS9 and didn't like it was rather silly. After all, why would one watch something one didn't like?

That's not a "judgment" of the people who have allegedly done so, rather a comment that such an argument is somewhat dubious or at least incomprehensible.

How many Trek fans do you think watched Voyager from start to finish and now don't like it?



Get it now?

No...because if they didn't like it, then it seems a bit silly to keep watching it. If they kept watching it, then presumably they liked at least aspects of the show, so it seems very odd to suddenly decide after seven years of watching that they don't like it. If they saw no saving grace, than I doubt it would take seven years to realise one was not forthcoming. Some may have given it more of a chance because it was a Star Trek series, but surely most people are intelligent enough not to sit through something they think is bad just because it has "Star Trek" in the title.

I must be very strange to only watch things I enjoy, and stop watching if I can't get enjoyment from them. If a series has its ups and downs, like Voyager, I can stick with it, and say in the end that it had its moments, even if it did make mistakes. That's different to saying I dislike, or "hate" it

I really hated Farscape, and stopped watching it quickly. I didn't try to sit through the whole thing, and I don't go seeking out discussion boards for the show to whine about it. Since that's now on DVD, I guess I should go out and buy the whole series. Apparently that's what people do when they dislike something...

Sorry, I forgot where I was.

I didn't realize words had to be so precise as to distinguish between hate and dislike to get the general point across . Either way, the end result is the same.

 

[number6]

Not really. The question is still the same: Why watch something you don't like. I didn't like a lot of VOY and guess what?? I didn't watch it. I tuned in for the stuff I liked and tuned out for the stuff I didn't. I didn't go online to let everyone know how much I thought it sucked or which minute detail I hated the most. I went on to something else.

I HATED Babylon 5, but to date I have never visited a fan forum to declare as such, nor have I gone there to "school" their fans on why they should hate it as much as I do or presume to tell them what would have made their stinky ass show better.

 

[exodus]

number6 said:
I didn't go online to let everyone know how much I thought it sucked or which minute detail I hated the most.

What's the title of this post you're posting in?

The internet is full of people on message boards doing and watching things just to complain about them. Check out any post here about the Family Guy or LOST and you'll find those that claim they hate it but are still watching every week.

 

[number6]

exodus said:

number6 said:
I didn't go online to let everyone know how much I thought it sucked or which minute detail I hated the most.

What's the title of this post you're posting in?

It's a DISCUSSION! Do you think that the title of the thread is simply an invitation to those who hate the show or do you believe it is an invitation to discuss why some people hate the show? Do you even know the difference between the two? You seem to like splitting hairs. Go chew on that for a while.

The internet is full of people on message boards doing and watching things just to complain about them. Check out any post here about the Family Guy or LOST and you'll find those that claim they hate it but are still watching every week.

It doesn't make it any less stupid. I don't join a fan forum for a TV show to discuss how much I hate and don't watch it. That's completely retarded.

 

[kipron]

number6 said:
Not really. The question is still the same: Why watch something you don't like. I didn't like a lot of VOY and guess what?? I didn't watch it. I tuned in for the stuff I liked and tuned in for the stuff I didn't. I didn't go online to let everyone know how much I thought it sucked or which minute detail I hated the most. I went on to something else.

I HATED Babylon 5, but to date I have never visited a fan forum to declare as such, nor have I gone there to "school" their fans on why they should hate it as much as I do or presume to tell them what would have made their stinky ass show better.

In a more sane world, the internet would be comprised of people like you. Too bad nature abhors sanity.

Thing is, I grew up watching the 24th Century shows, and Voyager's premise was the one I clicked with. Due to this latent like of the series, I picked up a bunch of second-hand VHS tapes over the years, but have not had the time to watch them.

With the recent (cyclical?) influx of Voyager hatred in this forum, I decided to pop in a random episode to reevaluate my thoughts on this long-gone show. The ep was Juggernaut, which I recall being a somehwat "average" episode and therefore representative of the shows grander strengths and weaknesses. Turns out that what worked for me when I was 15...doesn't work so well now. I mean, aliens playing with toy ships?! What the hell kinda kiddy hour is this?

And yet I just can't seem to muster up any venom towards this show, even on the occasions where it sucks. I was a kid, after all. I enjoyed the show in its first run, and whatever lessons were to be learned from it were learned a LONG time ago.

It's not like the people criticising it are newbies. It's the same old faces, throwing the same old faeces from 8 years ago. I just don't get how they can keep on doing it. Hope I never learn.

 

[Anwar]

Guy Gardener said:
And when a child is raised by wolves, do we blame the parents or the wolves?

Not sure I get the exact comparison. Is UPN the parents or the wolves?

 

[exodus]

number6 said:

It doesn't make it any less stupid. I don't join a fan forum for a TV show to discuss how much I hate and don't watch it. That's completely retarded.

Welcome to internet generation.

 

[Guy Gardener]

O. There's been more than one generation lost on the net by now.

But it's just a moderner day equivalent of cranks writing to newspapers.

Berman and Braga are the parents.

 

[Anwar]

That still doesn't fully make sense, because it's not like they had a choice in anything compared to UPN.

It would be like, what if the wolves had been breathing down the necks of the parents, crippled them so there was no way they could oppose the wolves or do anything to protect the child, and did whatever they wanted to the kid while the crippled, helpless parents just stood there.

And they are invisible wolves so everyone blames the parents for everything while the wolves get away scot free.

 

[Guy Gardener]

some of the least exaggerated reports of criminalized behaviour from B & B would have us believe that their coffee breaks lasted almost around nearly 6 months each.

 

[number6]

exodus said:

number6 said:

It doesn't make it any less stupid. I don't join a fan forum for a TV show to discuss how much I hate and don't watch it. That's completely retarded.

Welcome to internet generation.

I just happen to hold Star Trek fans to a higher standard.

 

[Ezri]

Babies have big heads and big eyes, and tiny little bodies with tiny little arms and legs. So did the aliens at Roswell! I rest my case. - WIlliam Shatner

This is what I wanted to find out from Voyager, who are the Roswell Aliens. All it was DS9 that told us it was Quark. Oh well, SG1 told us it was Thor ... wish Voyager told us diferent

 

[exodus]

number6 said:

exodus said:

number6 said:

It doesn't make it any less stupid. I don't join a fan forum for a TV show to discuss how much I hate and don't watch it. That's completely retarded.

Welcome to internet generation.

I just happen to hold Star Trek fans to a higher standard.

Don't.

Watching a TV show doesn't indicate the type of person you are.

 

[alicelouise]

I know many people want "Dark and Edgy" but that is going to be so dated in a few years. That being said, on "voyager" there were no issues with supplies, weapons, food and water. Another valid point brought up by posters the Maquis and Starfleet came together with too much ease and seamlessness. There was an episode with Dalby and Chall. They were shown to be exceptions. Letting the conflict between B'Lanna and Joe carey be dropped wasn't the best. Keeping Seska as regular would have helped "Voyager". In BSG when Apollo was in the brig for treason, he was allowed to his job. In season 3 Seska could have been brought back and sentenced like the Equinox 5(again another opportunity wasted)and Apollo Lee Adama.

My biggest gripe with "Voyager" was that it was always Politically Correct. The one white male was shown always to be incompetent. That is only one example of many.

another gripe teh trivialization of the Borg. In TNG the Borg made the Romulans, Klingons, Khan and whatever other villains look tame. In Voyager even Naomi Wildmon could have bested themin an escape pod.

all in all my .02

 

[exodus]

alicelouise said:


My biggest gripe with "Voyager" was that it was always Politically Correct.

Isn't that general point of Trek to begin with? Wasn't Picard always saying our goal is to be better more respectful & tolerant people?

 

[number6]

exodus said:

number6 said:

exodus said:

number6 said:

It doesn't make it any less stupid. I don't join a fan forum for a TV show to discuss how much I hate and don't watch it. That's completely retarded.

Welcome to internet generation.

I just happen to hold Star Trek fans to a higher standard.

Don't.

Watching a TV show doesn't indicate the type of person you are.

Sure it does. I think someone who watches Star Trek regularly has a greater intellectual capacity for reason and deep thought than those who embrace Jackass as "high culture" entertainment.


...of course there are always exceptions.

 

[KitchenWitch]

kipron said:
I mean, aliens playing with toy ships?! What the hell kinda kiddy hour is this?

The character built a model ship for his colleague's child. Maybe I'm too old and senile, but I see nothing "kiddie hour" about that.