Why the hatred for Voyager?

[Ezri]

misskim86 said:
No I'm not joking.

Are you joking?

Is this a joke

 

[misskim86]

I just watched Year of hell and was gonna post how wrong I was about Voyager, then it all just never happened....God

 

[Eminence]

Ezri said:

misskim86 said:
No I'm not joking.

Are you joking?

Is this a joke

No Joke man, No Joke.

 

[Ezri]

The reason why I hate Voyager as 7 of 9 still has perky breasts and my breasts are starting to show gravity is taking over

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

startrekwatcher said:

Trekwatcher said:
I think at least some of the "hatred" for VOY (and ENT, for that matter) comes from the culture of BBS', as in this context opinions (good or bad) tend to be magnified. I.e. if someone says "I hated X" they draw responses like "I hated X too!!!!" or, "What? X is the greatest thing ever in the history of Star Trek!!!"

That has been my experience as well. Needless to say that "the internet experience" in general has been an eye-opening one.

It is social psychology at work. When people's opinions are validated by others it is reassuring but when they aren't some get defensive even moreso when the criticism is handled in a loud obnoxious tacky way. It makes an otherwise rational person feel like they have to respond in kind which just makes things get ugly as things escalate because no one wants to backdown and be seen as losing the argument. Sadly I even found myself in my early days on the 'net getting caught up in it. Sometimes I even wondered why I would come to a forum if nothing productive occurred except endless arguments where neither side would yield.

Nowadays I just periodically peak in to see who is still around and what topics are popular and what opinions are seemingly universal over the years regardless of the posters at any given time.

I will say dipping my toes in the internet made me aware of things I never could have imagined--shipper wars, slash, petitions to save shows, so much concern over ratings, fans wanting to not only find out every little detail of a film or episode months in advance but to dissect it as well, the idea of canon-nazis etc etc.

A lot of that and the ensuing arguments took the fun out of things for me so I stepped back and mostly just watch what I want and not concern myself with what others may or may not like.

I watched all of Voyager during the original run before I had joined this BBS. Without all of the opinions of others to read, I largely just had my own opinion to form. I thought Mulgrew did a fine job as Janeway, and I thought that she, the Doctor, and Seven really carried the show.

For me VOY plays better years later because you know what you are getting. It is a decent series but even when I was disappointed in it I never could say I hated it.

Good post. I think this statement mirrors my own feelings on the subject. And Enterprise, for that matter. I found this place hoping to find another level on which to enjoy the show and found pitched battle, souring the online experience to some extent.

 

[Apogeal Alpha01]

Ezri said:
The reason why I hate Voyager as 7 of 9 still has perky breasts and my breasts are starting to show gravity is taking over

Try deep tissue massage. Might work.

 

[Ezri]

Apogeal Alpha01 said:

Ezri said:
The reason why I hate Voyager as 7 of 9 still has perky breasts and my breasts are starting to show gravity is taking over

Try deep tissue massage. Might work.

Or just have a teenage boyfriend if my hand gets tired

 

[Guy Gardener]

No, that'll tenderize them and make her puppies more floppy.

How many breast push ups can you do?

 

[Ezri]

whatever

 

[exodus]

Caprica_Six said:

Malcom said:

Whether or not someone was on this forum while Voyager aired is irrelevant to arguments they might make about the shows, it is relevant to discussions about the nature of criticism of the show on this board in the past. Neither you [03] nor misskim86 [06] were here in that time period and could not know what it was like on the board.

That is logical my friend.

The thread topic is "Why the hatred for Voyager?" not "Why the hatred for Voyager on TrekBBS?". I am well aware of what went on here and have been told about it constantly but we are talking about the here and now and this bizzare exclusivity you and exodus have formed on who has the rights to share their opinions on how Voyager is perceived is one of the many reasons this forum and it's occupants are labeled as unfriendly and overly defensive.

So yeah your opinions as well as his only go to further the perception that a select few only have valid opinions to be shared in this forum because if anyone dares criticize the show the eager defenders go onto attack whatever other program they believe the so-called attackers may like- it's childish. If someone is new in the forum don't try and shut them up because they haven't taken Voyager 101: Introduction to the Voyager forum history

Ummm, that's why it's called a debate darling.

Did you not expect fans of the show to defend it within it's own forum?

Who has the rights to share their opinion?
Who exactly is stopping you from posting your opinion in print for everyone who is a member of the site too see?

Do you believe you words hold no weight?

 

[exodus]

donners22 said:

exodus said:

donners22 said: I think you each know people with far too much time on their hands...

I think you need to keep your assumptions of people you don't know to yourself. To do so is not only rude but very ignorant as well. It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


This is one thing I'll never understand about some posters on this site. They think they have the right to judge others & their lives based solely upon their opinions of a stupid sci-fi TV show.

Goodness, aren't we touchy?

If people can watch roughly 140 hours of something they DON'T LIKE, then I think that is (besides baffling) worthy of a rather mild, tongue-in-cheek jab. I thought that in the context of a relatively intelligent debate, I would not need a dozen safety smilies.

The point was more to do with a highlight that the comment that people watched the entirity of DS9 and didn't like it was rather silly. After all, why would one watch something one didn't like?

That's not a "judgment" of the people who have allegedly done so, rather a comment that such an argument is somewhat dubious or at least incomprehensible.

How many Trek fans do you think watched Voyager from start to finish and now don't like it?



Get it now?

 

[number6]

Judging from this forum alone, I would say a lot. I didn't know how much VOY sucked until I came here to read the many posts of the "fans."

 

[Guy Gardener]

We're complicated.

 

[donners22]

exodus said:

donners22 said:

exodus said:

donners22 said: I think you each know people with far too much time on their hands...

I think you need to keep your assumptions of people you don't know to yourself. To do so is not only rude but very ignorant as well. It also has nothing to do with the topic at hand.


This is one thing I'll never understand about some posters on this site. They think they have the right to judge others & their lives based solely upon their opinions of a stupid sci-fi TV show.

Goodness, aren't we touchy?

If people can watch roughly 140 hours of something they DON'T LIKE, then I think that is (besides baffling) worthy of a rather mild, tongue-in-cheek jab. I thought that in the context of a relatively intelligent debate, I would not need a dozen safety smilies.

The point was more to do with a highlight that the comment that people watched the entirity of DS9 and didn't like it was rather silly. After all, why would one watch something one didn't like?

That's not a "judgment" of the people who have allegedly done so, rather a comment that such an argument is somewhat dubious or at least incomprehensible.

How many Trek fans do you think watched Voyager from start to finish and now don't like it?



Get it now?

No...because if they didn't like it, then it seems a bit silly to keep watching it. If they kept watching it, then presumably they liked at least aspects of the show, so it seems very odd to suddenly decide after seven years of watching that they don't like it. If they saw no saving grace, than I doubt it would take seven years to realise one was not forthcoming. Some may have given it more of a chance because it was a Star Trek series, but surely most people are intelligent enough not to sit through something they think is bad just because it has "Star Trek" in the title.

I must be very strange to only watch things I enjoy, and stop watching if I can't get enjoyment from them. If a series has its ups and downs, like Voyager, I can stick with it, and say in the end that it had its moments, even if it did make mistakes. That's different to saying I dislike, or "hate" it

I really hated Farscape, and stopped watching it quickly. I didn't try to sit through the whole thing, and I don't go seeking out discussion boards for the show to whine about it. Since that's now on DVD, I guess I should go out and buy the whole series. Apparently that's what people do when they dislike something...

 

[Guy Gardener]

The early episodes of Farscape were tragically too much like Voyager. I stopped watching too. They really got their shit together into the second year, and after that the next year was even a little better.

Ever stopped half way through sex because it's not that great?

 

[Eminence]

Nah, I'd at least finish...Bad sex is better than blue balls.

 

[donners22]

Voyager's cast weren't out-acted by muppets. Though Beltran would have been in some danger if they were on Voyager...

 

[Ezri]

donners22 said:
Voyager's cast weren't out-acted by muppets.

Captain Kermit the frog captain of the USS Voyager and the lover of 7 of 9 that would be priceless.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I wonder who would win in a fight? Voyager or the Swinetrek?

Captain Link would certainly prepare a hot sausage for any Borgette's he rescued from the collective.

 

[misskim86]

Wow I just read the interview with Ron Moore where he describes how Voyager sucked. Apparently the biggest ting was all the drama between the writers. DS9 had been like a big family whereas the VOY writers were almost abused.