Why the hate for Disco?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by David Hanley, Feb 21, 2021.

  1. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Admiral Premium Member

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    What do you think of Burnham's excessive crying?
     
  2. Grizzlor

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    Well I see nothing wrong with it, this is a series for mature adults, and a woman crying during intense scenes makes perfect sense. I too get a bit weepy in some of them. This is the world of streaming television, that's what subscribers/viewers are being given. I have to be honest, it never crossed my mind before. I do not watch network TV dramas anymore, almost exclusively paid cable (HBO, Showtime, Starz) and streaming series. To be honest, one reason I usually skip network dramas is because they tend to be far more tame and unrealistic.

    That being said, I haven't read up on it, but one can only assume that this is a professional choice that actress Sonequa Martin-Green is making. Having watched her in The Walking Dead as well, this does not surprise me as she is an emotive actor, that is her style. This is why I go back to TOS in comparisons, because in many ways she does share many of the same emotional reactions in scene to "over acting" William Shatner. Given my reverence for his Jim Kirk, can't complain.
     
  3. Gingerbread Demon

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    Oh for sure....... Shatner literally hams it up on many scenes, and not just on Star Trek in other things he has done he loves hamming it up.
     
  4. fireproof78

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    I agree for the most part.
     
  5. Pubert

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    Yeah the rec room and the ice cream scene was cool. Kirk never got his ice cream though.
     
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  6. Gingerbread Demon

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    Maybe one of the brats shoved theirs into his face when we weren't looking
     
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    Who knows. It bugged me when i was a kid and still as a adult. Kirk said he would have a small ice cream and never got it.
     
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    The crying about Burnham's crying is excessive.

    In the 3rd season Mirror Universe episodes, we saw a Burnham that didn't cry. She was a horrible person. The convicted mutineer Burnham we saw in the first couple of episodes of the series could have become like that. Instead she has grown as a person and become part of a family where she can openly show her feelings. It's heartwarming.

    Especially considering that this series is called "dystopian" and "grimdark"...
     
  9. Gingerbread Demon

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    Really? I didn't know that Grimdark really?

    I never hated her for the crying but just it seems the go to thing for people to jump on. I didn't find it that excessive
     
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    I find it hilarious now it's been pointed out that the "grimdark" Discovery is now also getting flak for being too soft and emotional:lol:

    Why can't they just stand in a half circle, arms at their sides and take turns to recite their lines like in Next Gen?!?!?
     
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    Or the ever so popular approach in that era - one stood in front of the other, both facing the camera and they have half the conversation like that before the one at the front dramatically turns to face the other one.
     
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  12. Swedish Borg

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    That's why Riker yells once in a while, to show that he's not Data!!! :D
     
  13. Ianburns252

    Ianburns252 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Que?

    This has gone so far over my head - can you dumb it down for me
     
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  15. Swedish Borg

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    Outside of his outbursts of anger and his scowls, Riker hardly expresses any emotion at all.
     
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    It remains a mystery to me to this day. And the more research I do the more I think that the Discovery writers understand human emotions a lot better than most Hollywood writers.
     
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    Most of Michael's crying does not bother me. Early season 1 comes across as really, really weird in retrospect because she was played as being very stoic/suppressed, but I can chalk it up to early installment weirdness/pivoting the character to play more to SMG's strengths.

    I do have issue with Michael's crying in certain episodes however. Like the episode where she bid Nhan farewell. We saw nothing onscreen to suggest Nhan had a close relationship with Michael - or with anyone really. The tears didn't seem warranted here for that reason, because the show hadn't done the legwork to make an emotional connection that the viewers could identify with.

    I also think that less is more when it comes to expression of emotion in media. We tend to remember much more vividly the breakdowns of largely stoic characters because they are so rare. In contrast, characters who are emotional in a certain way pretty much all the time have that aspect of their personality ignored over time. Like...I can remember Kira or Torres being generally angry people, but I can't really recall many of the individual times they flipped out. But I can remember vividly the couple of times across DS9 that Sisko was driven to tears.
     
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    Honestly, having been told much of my life by friends to not be so emotional (and the opposite by my parents) I prefer just people having freaking emotions. I'm tiered of stoicism being the most virtuous style of character. As I said, I can't help but think that people fear emotions in their media.

    Michael's, of all people's, makes sense because she was traumatized and then raised to be stoic. Eventually the trauma is going to come out, in some way.
     
  19. Vger23

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    Make no mistake, that's what a lot of fans want/expect.
     
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    Melodrama: A sensational dramatic piece with exaggerated characters and exciting events intended to appeal to the emotions.

    I think that’s pretty much Discovery in a nutshell. A lot of modern entertainment in a nutshell, really. But it wasn’t traditionally considered a good thing.