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Why Starfleet changes uniform styles so bloody often

"the kind of stupidity only a depraved loner could think up, and it was going on right in front of us." Braga viewed that as a personal attack and filed a complaint with Pocket Books over it, resulting in Carey being banned from writing further Trek novels. A ban which hasn't been lifted yet.

Hahahaha, quite brave of her, I gotta say.
Not quite agreeing with her, since dancing aliens have been a staple of Science Fiction since the Orion girl in the Cage and Oola in Return of the Jedi. And as a gay person I found the scene actually quite cool,e specially since CGI like that frog tongue wasn't seen that often in Trek.
But it's still nice to see Braga being called out on some of his BS.
Also...I'd like to see some sexy male alien dancers sometime...
 
Even that's a sloppy way of wording things since back in the day when exploration of Earth was a thing, it was handled by the military. Even in modern times, the military is still involved with exploration, with man NASA personnel and even directors being active duty military officers, not to mention the wreck of the Titanic was discovered on a military-funded expedition. If it weren't for all this "Starfleet isn't a military" nonsense that got started primarily because of very immature behavior on Roddenberry's part in the 1980s, everyone would be thinking of Starfleet as a military anyway, as indeed they did during TOS...
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Was Vasco de Gama a Portuguese naval officer? Was his crew navy?

Was Columbus a Spanish naval officer? Was his crew navy?

Was Magellan a Spansih naval officer? was his crew navy?

Were there even fuul time professional Portuguese and Spanish navies in thsoe days?
 
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You guys are kidding, right? The majority of what you listed were about rogue elements, retired killing machines, psycho vets or otherwise maverick, anti-rule protagonists. The mainstream military in those works are portrayed as heavies, foils, uncaring bureaucrats or incompetent soldiers. They convicted you for crimes you didn't commit, they left you behind in need of rescue (and refused to make the attempt), they had done (or were doing) nefarious actions that sets up the plot, and.or otherwise they were incompetent enough to get their asses kicked.

Not kidding. The Reagan administration liked to emphasize US military might and much of the public went along with it. Reagan put the military much more in the public eye than it had been in generations. The president started speaking more at armed forces bases and there were a lot more public events where military units took part. Service personnel in DC who had worn civilian clothes to work in the Pentagon and other government offices for years were ordered into uniform.

Along with that, there was a noticeable change in media attitude. Through the '70s, Vietnam was seen in mainstream media as something to be ashamed of and the veterans were treated as traumatized, damaged figures to be pitied at best or feared at worst. The A-Team came back again and again to a Vietnam message: If the bosses had left the fighting men free to do all they could do, they would have won the war. Magnum P.I. spent a great deal of time highlighting the sacrifice of military members, the honorability of military service, and presenting Vietnam vets as no different from those of WW2 and Korea. You never saw anything like that in the '70s. There was even a prime time soap about a navy admiral and pilots called Emerald Point N.A.S. It only lasted one season, but the fact it was made in the first place is notable.

Very few military/war movies have straightforward plots where the boss gives the right orders, the troops carry them out the right way and everything works out fine. It's not dramatic enough. Despite a protagonist who bent the rules, Top Gun was effectively a recruiting piece and the Navy saw it as such, giving unprecedented (and expensive) cooperation with active units. Again, not something you'd see in the '70s.

I didn't even mention the rise of the Tom Clancy novel, basically action-thriller plots to support extended praises of US military hardware and prowess, though one didn't make it to the big screen till 1990.

Was Vasco de Gama a Portuguese naval officer? Was his crew navy?

Was Columbus a Spanish naval officer? Was his crew navy?

Was Magellan a Spansih naval officer? was his crew navy?

Were there even fuul time professional Portuguese and Spanish navies in thsoe days?

No, navies in those days were assembled by taking over merchant ships as needed, officering them with army officers (usually from the aristocracy) and crewing them partly with merchant mariners and partly with soldiers. At any rate, the post said exploration was handled by the military, but did not say exclusively by the military.
 
@J.T.B. Sorry but my experience doesn't match you theoretical optimism. You may be right that there was a change in progress but the negativity was still the dominant tone* and that negativity was one of the reasons I did not do a full twenty years and retire. The people that did not curse me thought that reciting the lyrics of a certain Village People song was the height of comedic brilliance. And no one in the whole decade I was a sailor ever thanked me for my service.

It wasn't until Desert Storm, where the promoted idea of treating the Vets of DS better than the ones that returned from 'Nam, that a sea change happens culturally.

*(See movies like Biloxi Blues, A Soldier's Story, Taps and The Killing Fields, songs like Born in the USA)
 
I was not claiming that everything changed completely in the '80s, just that there was a noticeable shift that rubbed some people who identified with the '60s anti-war and conterculture movements the wrong way.
 
Maybe some asshole just kept going around and murdering the uniforms designers between 2294 and 2350s so Starfleet was stuck with the TOS film uniforms from that period. Admiral Janeway or Picard butterflied the First Contact and All Good Things uniforms from existing longer than they originally did because of time travel. Marie Picard designed the Generations uniforms but they were butterflied when Robert and Rene felt a little cold. I find it kind of funny that there are like 8 uniforms betweem The Cage and Turnabout Intruder if you include Discovery and Kelvin.
 
This is what happens due to Gene's TM vision....

Starfleet is, by all accounts, a military, with a very prolific scientific branch. There's nothing wrong with that: the USN does a lot of science, too, even with dedicated vessels, but the main focus, of course, is defense, policing, deterrence by existing, logistics, transport, and colonial support. FASA gets some praise because at least they recognized that Starfleet is basically the USN in space, but then TNG kept trying to hammer the 'we're not a military, totes, guys!' and even more Gene Vision TM stuff.
Starfleet is the U.S.Coast Guard. (Former USCG Petty Officer here)
 
Starfleet is the U.S.Coast Guard. (Former USCG Petty Officer here)
Thank you for your service!

I think StarFleet has TOO many duties crammed into 1 service, including "Coast Guard" on top of US Navy. on top of US Marines/Army and sometimes Naval Air Corp.

This is why I think some of the services should be properly split up so that there is clear division, yet they can still work together in a tight bond like the Navy does with the Marines.
 
Starfleet is the U.S.Coast Guard. (Former USCG Petty Officer here)
Previously heard that idea on this site, and the idea has kind of stuck on me. I see so many similarities if Starfleet is compared to the USCG. Areas include training, academy, district organization, missions, ship types. For example: ship type of the Enterprise would be comparable to the High Endurance Cutter (WHEC). The 378-foot (115 m) Hamilton-class cutters were commissioned in the late 1960s. Missions include law enforcement, search and rescue, and military defense. This aged class of 12 are being individually decommissioned and replaced on a one-for one basis by the new Legend-class National Security Cutters. I could go on, but I'm tired.

The only thing no ship based navy/coast guard does today is exploration (since the world is fairly well known by now). I guess most exploration is done by satellites, now.
 
Thank you for your service!

I think StarFleet has TOO many duties crammed into 1 service, including "Coast Guard" on top of US Navy. on top of US Marines/Army and sometimes Naval Air Corp.

This is why I think some of the services should be properly split up so that there is clear division, yet they can still work together in a tight bond like the Navy does with the Marines.

Also, US Space Force and, I guess, the Public Health Service and NOAA. Those last two services only have commissioned officers.
 
Do designers of their own estate owns the rights to the designs (TOS, TNG) is the reason why we're getting prequels and sequels which stay away from those great uniforms? CBS doesn't want to pay the rights to those estates.
 
Do designers of their own estate owns the rights to the designs (TOS, TNG) is the reason why we're getting prequels and sequels which stay away from those great uniforms? CBS doesn't want to pay the rights to those estates.

By most interpretations of the law, CBS owns everything outright, and art designers have no right to royalties or likeness rights. Some rights seem to have been maintained in the TNG era for writers and other creatives (see "The Measure of a Man" fiasco), but those were likely negotiated separately and probably don't count for TOS era designs.

The main reason why the new shows forego old uniforms for their own designs is primarily branding. This comes from above the individual creators' heads, as both Fuller and McMahan seemed to have different ideas about what the uniforms would look like in their era, but were told to change it for whatever reason.

Discovery has adopted uniforms just a hair-breadth away from TOS now, and LD has shown us the FC style in flashback. So they don't seem too bound to stay away from past designs. We're also seeing an Antares class on LD next week, the first "unmodified" starsip design to return (outside of Picard's Galaxy flashbacks).
 
Do designers of their own estate owns the rights to the designs (TOS, TNG) is the reason why we're getting prequels and sequels which stay away from those great uniforms? CBS doesn't want to pay the rights to those estates.

What are you talking about? The SNW uniforms (or at least the uniforms the Enterprise crew wore in DISC, which I assume will be used for SNW) are just updated versions of the garish Wiggles sweaters they wore in TOS.
Just like the Lower decks uniforms pretty much look like updated versions of the TNG ones.
 
:lol:

"Stardate 4167.2. We've been sent to the Tylor sector. Our mission: Find Jeff."

The purple sweater is the way Section 31 dressed during the TOS days. Look forward to see it in SNW ;)
Plus a Saurian crew member named "Dorothy"
 
The main reason why the new shows forego old uniforms for their own designs is primarily branding. This comes from above the individual creators' heads, as both Fuller and McMahan seemed to have different ideas about what the uniforms would look like in their era, but were told to change it for whatever reason.
Exactly so. This isn't just a historical documentary but a foray in to artistic design and exploration creativity as well as with in the Star Trek world.
 
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