• Welcome! The TrekBBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans.
    If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Why Starfleet changes uniform styles so bloody often

Star Trek has never been bound by the laws of physics before. :shrug:
Yes it has. It tries to stay as close as possible. Gene made an effort to do so by consulting scientists at the time.

Even Replicators costs some energy to operate, it's not a perpetual energy machine.
 
Sure, if your job is to be a "Fashion Designer" for the general public.
I get that, that makes sense.

StarFleet is supposed to have some Military in them, and tradition to go with that.
Change for changes sake seems like a huge waste of resources.
To us it seems like a huge waste of resources. As is constantly drummed in to our heads Starfleet's and the Federation's values are different than ours. Even if they must complied with the laws of physics (though they are really good at bending them ;) )there is still such a negligible loss that they can work within it.

It's like the whole warp drive damaging the fabric of space-time. It sounded like a dire problem and then they fixed it, with minor inconvenience to the Federation or Starfleet's operations.

Fashion & Costume designers, there are PLENTY of other things to design other than the StarFleet Uniforms.
Again, look at what we are presented as the Federation's values. At the front end of that is the constant drum beat that Starfleet service is the highest form of service to the Federation. Voyager had a crewmember who was just wanting to do a one year stint in Starfleet to be able to qualify for a better position in the civilian world. Starfleet is emphasized over and again in the Federation. So, it comes as little, if any, surprise to me, that in the post-scarcity, cosmopolitanism, diversity loving Federation that allowing those with design skills to contribute to Federation society through uniform design would be welcome.
 
You guys mike like changing uniforms all the time, I like sticking to a set for 70+ years like they did with the Red uniforms from the ST Movies.
 
You guys mike like changing uniforms all the time, I like sticking to a set for 70+ years like they did with the Red uniforms from the ST Movies.
Understanding possible reasons doesn't equal liking.

Give me TOS uniforms and various fan variants of such over other uniforms any day of the week and twice on Sundays. The only redeeming factors of TNG era uniforms is that they went back to the tri-color scheme used in TOS. TWOK was interesting but ultimately I think a little overmuch for day to day shipboard operations.
 
I guess that would make sense. After the Dominion War and the attacks on the Maquis, Starfleet probably has a bad reputation these days.

Why? The maquis may be debated, but surely every one would love Starfleet for their defense of the Federation in the Dominion War? They managed to attack Earth a couple times and conquered Betazed briefly, after all.

What did surprise me though was that on Picard they created a separate new uniform design for the 2380s flashbacks instead of using the current 2399 uniforms or even the gray shouldered FC uniforms.

and then yet another in 2380 for Lower Decks.

JMS?
Cringe worthy dialogue
Casting mediocre actors

Not a B5 fan, sorry.

I enjoyed B5...I thought the crimes mentioned were related to his Grounded run in the Superman comics.
 
Yes it has. It tries to stay as close as possible. Gene made an effort to do so by consulting scientists at the time.

I mean, yes and no. Star Trek does generally try to adhere to a consistent set of rules, but really important technologies in ST violate the laws of physics. Obviously faster-than-light technology comes to mind, though warp drive is a necessary artistic conceit for a show about interstellar travel. But transporters are not a necessary conceit, merely a convenient one for the show's budget -- and they utterly defy the laws of physics as we understand them (hence the need for a "Heisenberg Compensator"). "Inertia dampeners" also come to mind, and so does artificial gravity. And then in later seasons, the use of various "-itons" of radiation became virtually like waving a magic wand.

Why? The maquis may be debated, but surely every one would love Starfleet for their defense of the Federation in the Dominion War? They managed to attack Earth a couple times and conquered Betazed briefly, after all.

Not necessarily. There's almost always an anti-war war movement; even World War II had its domestic opponents who were not themselves fascist sympathizers. Check out A People's History of the United States for examples of anti-fascists who still opposed World War II; they felt it was a war of colonial powers against colonial powers, with colonized peoples caught in the crossfire. (They were not entirely wrong, but I disagree with their opposition to the war effort.)

I can easily imagine a decent-sized movement of Federation citizens actually blaming Starfleet for the Dominion War. I wouldn't agree with such an argument, but it's not implausible to imagine that someone might look at Starfleet being ordered to stay out of the Gamma Quadrant by the Dominion and replying with, "You can't stop us from exploring the GQ!" and constantly crossing the wormhole for the next three years, and look at the way the first officer of a Starfleet starbase was helping Gul Dukat fight the Klingons from his captured bird-of-prey before he went and helped the Dominion take over Cardassia, and might conclude that Starfleet was inadvertently responsible for the Dominion feeling threatened enough to invade the Alpha Quadrant and for Gul Dukat being in position to take over Cardassia. And there are generally probably some out there who feel that coming to a diplomatic solution is better than war (even if that solution is one the Federation government would reject as a pretext for further war), and even some out there who would feel that accepting Dominion occupation would be preferable to war.

Add to this that there are probably people out there that generally oppose the Federation's constant expansion as a form of neo-colonialism or cultural imperialism, and that there are others who generally hate Starfleet for not backing up the Federation colonists in the DMZ when the Cardassian Central Command kept arming Cardassian civilian militias and for targeting the Maquis instead of just staying out of the fighting. Hell, even David Marcus generally hated Starfleet as a warmongering force in The Wrath of Khan.

Again, not necessarily what I would agree with. But I can plausibly see it. People almost never have unanimity in their political beliefs.

Edited to add:

There is something kind of disturbing about a free society where service in the military is considered the best possible career someone could have.
 
Last edited:
Sci said:
There is something kind of disturbing about a free society where service in the military is considered the best possible career someone could have.
Why do you find that disturbing?

Because the idea that a military career is the highest possible status someone could achieve is the kind of idea fascist societies promote, not democracies.

I've got no problem with the idea that a career in Starfleet is highly esteemed. But it shouldn't be seen as the best possible career anyone could have in a healthy democracy; no career should be seen as "the best," in fact. Democracies work best when many different kinds of labor are valued.
 
Because the idea that a military career is the highest possible status someone could achieve is the kind of idea fascist societies promote, not democracies.

I've got no problem with the idea that a career in Starfleet is highly esteemed. But it shouldn't be seen as the best possible career anyone could have in a healthy democracy; no career should be seen as "the best," in fact. Democracies work best when many different kinds of labor are valued.
Times change, maybe democracies of the future change.

Maybe because StarFleet is on the frontier of Exploration and Technology, that the citizenry value what they do and don't boo them just because the nature of their jobs include a Military Aspect.

We can still value the careers of all those who labor in various fields as well.

But where else do you get live a life of travel to unknown parts of space, potentially risk wacky time travel adventures, get sent to a parallel universe, maybe randomly kidnapped by incorporeal aliens, etc.
 
But where else do you get live a life of travel to unknown parts of space, potentially risk wacky time travel adventures, get sent to a parallel universe, maybe randomly kidnapped by incorporeal aliens, etc.

And die fighting for Federation values even though you aren’t the military.
 
Times change, maybe democracies of the future change.

Times change and so do democracies. But venerating the military as the supreme career achievement in all of society is an inherently authoritarian, fascistic idea and always will be.

Maybe because StarFleet is on the frontier of Exploration and Technology, that the citizenry value what they do and don't boo them just because the nature of their jobs include a Military Aspect.

No one said they'd boo them. I said they shouldn't be seen as the best possible career, and then specified that no career should be seen as the best possible career.

We can still value the careers of all those who labor in various fields as well.

Absolutely. But no one career should be seen as the highest possible career, and especially the military should not be seen as the highest possible career.

But where else do you get live a life of travel to unknown parts of space, potentially risk wacky time travel adventures, get sent to a parallel universe, maybe randomly kidnapped by incorporeal aliens, etc.

And all that's cool! But none of those things make it the best possible career for a society to value above all others.
 
If you are not already a member then please register an account and join in the discussion!

Sign up / Register


Back
Top