And it was a trap set by the Cardassians so good point.
Why Section 31?
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And it was a trap set by the Cardassians so good point.
Thats how I see it.
Careful Picard. That's how they got Bruce Willis to save the world from evil.
Mind you, I think part of the problem is that they insufficiently differentiate Section 31 and Starfleet Intelligence.
Section 31 is supposed to be, I think, Cerberus from Mass Effect by DS9. A terrorist organization that deludes itself with ideas of patriotism.
Starfleet Intelligence is meant to be the Specters and MI6.
The problem is S31 is often just treated as the spy group because their arguments of pragmatism for the greater good....aren't really terrorist ones.
Section 31 is supposed to be, I think, Cerberus from Mass Effect by DS9. A terrorist organization that deludes itself with ideas of patriotism.
Starfleet Intelligence is meant to be the Specters and MI6.
The problem is S31 is often just treated as the spy group because their arguments of pragmatism for the greater good....aren't really terrorist ones.
Really, Disco should have just used Starfleet Intelligence instead of Section 31.
I dunno, then Starfleet Intelligence would be the enormous fuck ups who created Skynet.
I just figured the general populous figured that's what S31 was.
S31 was clearly different than SF Intelligence when it was created on DS9. It was the writers on Discovery that made them generic.
Yes and no.
On Deep Space Nine, there was a lot of question whether Sloane was not only lying but whether Section 31 even existed. Bashir spent a lot of his time disbelieving everything he said. It wasn't until the Admiral Ross episode that it seemed to be confirmed but Admiral Ross is also the one Section 31 is answering to, which either makes Admiral Ross doing something out of line or defacto confirms that it does have Starfleet approval.
I've always liked the theory Section 31 is a denied asset. Disavowed but acting with the approval of SI. Doing impossible missions.
I've always liked the theory Section 31 is a denied asset. Disavowed but acting with the approval of SI. Doing impossible missions.
Not me. That'd mean Starfleet officially attempted genocide (again! Thanks Discovery).
Technically, it wouldn't be because the Changelings in the Link are all war criminals. It also wouldn't affect those away from it.
I'll grant the second point, but being war criminals is unrelated to whether or not killing off a species is genocide.
In terms of definition, yes, but morality? In real life, there's no such thing as a genocide a completely evil group of people.
Which is why destroying the Borg, Daleks, or arguably Founders is not a very good sci-fi concept.
The Founders are arguably the worst as they CAN be peaceful moral people but chose to instead engage in mass racist colonialism as well as genocide against multiple species themselves.
The idea of a nefarious organisation operating the way they did in DS9 Is very cool, it also began to make you think about the past of the Federation, incidents and the like where they could've been involved. It is great world building that helps your mind run wild. In my opinion, a big misstep with Discovery, has had them operating so openly. How the hell does Pike know about Section 31? And they seem to be operating openly. In DS9, it looked like they were a small operation with a ton of clout that no one knew about apart from the top brass. There is no way Picard, for example, knows about them and hopefully still doesn't to this day.
I know that happens, I just find it hard to believe they were ever operating as openly as that and it didn't remain a notable part of Starfleet history.
Well, there was the whole erasing the official record at the end of season 2.
A funny thing about the haters of DISCO and Kurtzman is that the complaint that it messes with canon is something that has bugged him from the beginning. He's been trying to fix it ever since and apparently feels he has to shove it a 1000 years in the future.
Which is a real kick in the pants to those who already liked DISCO and loved its take on TOS' era.
Kurtzman should have stood by his show and ignored the haters (give them the two fingered salute). Imagine GR pandering to the moaners about the Klingon changes...he didn't.
Now we know why Klingons have hair...
Which was really really lame, especially with how they did it. Season 2's ending was a complete mess, I had no idea what was going on tbh.
