Why only 150?

[Timo]

Deck 29 makes good sense for a ship of that size. Limiting the ship to 24 decks, not so much...

Perhaps Picard meant to say the ship had 34 decks, and fumbled or mumbled so we misunderstood him?

As for the max. crew compliment... as I said, it's probably within the area of 180 or 200, but hardly more due to the issues of having to doubling up in quarters to accommodate 204 Klingons.

There ought to be enough internal volume for housing at least 500 people in comfort, though. The ship is way bigger than Kirk's, and Kirk only had to reshuffle quarters for his 430 crew when the people coming aboard were absolute prissies.

The "Prophecy" dialogue on housing the Klingons begins with the suggestion of keeping them locked up in the shuttlebay. That option is overruled because Neelix thinks it's demeaning and Janeway agrees. Presumably, cargo holds and other barracks-style housing would be out for the same reason: comfort of the Klingons is considered paramount.

...At least by Neelix. We don't really know if Janeway really accepted Neelix' enthusiastic idea of doubling up, or instead arranged for at least some bunking in cargo bays after all.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CaptainMatt]

Best of luck, friend. I don't have the patience for netflix. I am oldfashioned and prefer DVDS and VHSes.

What does that have to do with patience?

Simple enough. Doesn't one have to download something on netflix? I don't have patience for downloading and my computer probably couldn't handle it anyway.

 

[Sandoval]

Simple enough. Doesn't one have to download something on netflix? I don't have patience for downloading and my computer probably couldn't handle it anyway.

The beauty of being a Star Trek fan wanting to know something like this is that another Star Trek fan will generally have already found out and put it on the internet somewhere.

 

[RoJoHen]

Best of luck, friend. I don't have the patience for netflix. I am oldfashioned and prefer DVDS and VHSes.

What does that have to do with patience?

Simple enough. Doesn't one have to download something on netflix? I don't have patience for downloading and my computer probably couldn't handle it anyway.

It streams. It downloads while you're watching it. There's no waiting. I watch Netflix on my TV, and it's just as (if not faster) than watching it on DVD. They call it "Instant Streaming" for a reason.

 

[C.E. Evans]

What does that have to do with patience?

Simple enough. Doesn't one have to download something on netflix? I don't have patience for downloading and my computer probably couldn't handle it anyway.

It streams. It downloads while you're watching it. There's no waiting. I watch Netflix on my TV, and it's just as (if not faster) than watching it on DVD. They call it "Instant Streaming" for a reason.

Not if they have a slow internet connection or dial-up. It could take anywhere from several hours to almost an entire day to download a single episode.

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you're on dial up and subscribe to a service that takes you two days to stream a single tv show, and you're surprised by the difficulties inherent to your situation, then you're a fucking moron, ie "Why can't I watch this immediately if it won't finish streaming till the day after tomorrow?"

I remember (many years ago) when it used to take me 16 hours to download a 120 meg episode of Eureka on my unique 1/5 dial up connection, since I was sharing the phone line with a bloke on broadband.

Youtube was unusable.

 

[tighr]

Deck 29 makes good sense for a ship of that size. Limiting the ship to 24 decks, not so much...

Perhaps Picard meant to say the ship had 34 decks, and fumbled or mumbled so we misunderstood him?

The Enterprise-E clearly has only 24 decks. The MSD shows it, and Picard mentions as such when talking to Lily.

When Lt. Daniels says 26, it must be a script error. And when the Remans beam onto Deck 29 in ST: Nemesis, that is just the screenwriter not giving a shit at that point. Why would ANYONE want to beam a boarding party to the bottom-most deck if your intent is to overrun the ship, when the important things are up on Deck 1. When Riker is fighting the Viceroy, all the signs on the door say Deck 9 anyway, which makes a hell of a lot more sense.

 

[The Dominion]

Anyway... the episode itself implies that the ship itself might not be able to house more than 180 or 200 crew-members - and we've also seen from 'Good Shepard' episode that Celes was sharing quarters with someone else already (but this might not be an implication of having limited space, but more along the lines that certain crew members of the same rank as Celes would have to share quarters until they are promoted, which would give them their own space).

I've always wondered how that worked. Given that Janeway wasn't in the mood for promotions on their journey home, I wonder how many extra offer's rooms went unused.

 

[tighr]

I've always wondered how that worked. Given that Janeway wasn't in the mood for promotions on their journey home, I wonder how many extra offer's rooms went unused.

Several Ensigns were shown to have their own quarters.

Harry Kim had his own quarters (although he was a department head, that may afford some benefits).

Ensign Suder had his own quarters, and that was before he went batshit crazy. Obviously, he was by himself after being confined to quarters.

In Twisted, Kes rattles off the names of several crewmen who presumably had their own quarters (i.e., she says, "That's Ralph's quarters!", and not "Those are Jim-Bob and Ricky's quarters!").

 

[Guy Gardener]

Just to point out... Deck one... that's the bridge and only the bridge.

Some decks are tiny and others are masive.

Voyager was not a cube.

(Yet.)

 

[tighr]

Just to point out... Deck one... that's the bridge and only the bridge.

Eh, not just the bridge. All the ships we've seen also have conference rooms and a Captain's office.

Except the Defiant, but it wasn't shaped like most other Federation ships.

 

[Deks]

There ought to be enough internal volume for housing at least 500 people in comfort, though. The ship is way bigger than Kirk's, and Kirk only had to reshuffle quarters for his 430 crew when the people coming aboard were absolute prissies.

The "Prophecy" dialogue on housing the Klingons begins with the suggestion of keeping them locked up in the shuttlebay. That option is overruled because Neelix thinks it's demeaning and Janeway agrees. Presumably, cargo holds and other barracks-style housing would be out for the same reason: comfort of the Klingons is considered paramount.

...At least by Neelix. We don't really know if Janeway really accepted Neelix' enthusiastic idea of doubling up, or instead arranged for at least some bunking in cargo bays after all.

Timo Saloniemi

Ah, but Kirk's ship was 'packed' more or less as was admitted by on-screen dialogue.
Voyager is much more automated and started off with a crew of 154... plus, one has to take into account that the Intrepid is likely a downsized/stripped down Galaxy class ship - at least in areas where it was needed so it can produce matching or superior power output/ but same weapons/shields.

If the Defiant for example had to cut out ALL creature comforts in order to match larger ships in firepower (and quite possibly shields), Voyager could get away with one or two creature comforts due to it's size, or just enough to accommodate a crew of say 150... maybe just a bit more.

While I will agree that internal volume really shouldn't be an issue for a ship of that size, it's possible that SF designed it intentionally so it can hold lesser amount of people, so that at least tactically, it could match up to larger ships just like the Defiant (albeit with lesser need for cutting out ALL the creature comforts).

Oh and 'Prophecy' dialogue actually had Neelix say; 'we could double up some quarters'.
Which probably didn't mean ALL of them...

146 SF people + 204 Klingons = 350 in total (although probably, a lot of those from the Klingons end were families with 1 or 2 kids - which would require roughly 50 to 70 quarters being 'doubled up' by SF people so ALL the Klingons would have their own quarters).

So, effectively speaking, the ship could have been designed with about 155-160 quarters in mind... maybe more, but the number probably wouldn't go up over 200 quarters.

It was mentioned that Voyager's resources were draining due to the amount of people on board and that replicators failed several times... but one has to keep in mind that the Klingons ARE a rather voracious folk (or at least were portrayed as such) - although again, even if the ship was designed to hold 200 people, the existing crew never expected to have to provide for more than 146 for long periods of time.

 

[Tiberius]

Just a random thought, Janeway barks orders like shes got 1000's of people on board. I'm just curious as to why the writers decided on such a low crew number. The intrepid class is half the size of a galaxy class ship. Why not a crew of 300? still lots of room for everyone. I'm thinking of netflixing all of voyager and keeping track of how many crew members were killed during the course of the show.

Bear in mind that a lot of the people on the Enterprise D were not crew. They were civilians, scientists and family members. I;d say the actual CREW complement of the Enterprise as somewhere about 650-700.

 

[WarpCore]

There ought to be enough internal volume for housing at least 500 people in comfort, though. The ship is way bigger than Kirk's, and Kirk only had to reshuffle quarters for his 430 crew when the people coming aboard were absolute prissies.

Timo Saloniemi

But Kirk was a BMF. Any red shirt complaining about having to double up would just be sent on the next away mission and problem solved.

 

[You_Will_Fail]

They shoulda just stuck all the Klingons in fair haven.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Deck 29 makes good sense for a ship of that size. Limiting the ship to 24 decks, not so much...

Perhaps Picard meant to say the ship had 34 decks, and fumbled or mumbled so we misunderstood him?

The Enterprise-E clearly has only 24 decks. The MSD shows it, and Picard mentions as such when talking to Lily.

When Lt. Daniels says 26, it must be a script error. And when the Remans beam onto Deck 29 in ST: Nemesis, that is just the screenwriter not giving a shit at that point. Why would ANYONE want to beam a boarding party to the bottom-most deck if your intent is to overrun the ship, when the important things are up on Deck 1. When Riker is fighting the Viceroy, all the signs on the door say Deck 9 anyway, which makes a hell of a lot more sense.

They had no choice but to beam onto the lowest level of the ship if they wanted to board at all. The attack had disabled Enterprise's ventral shielding only.

Presumably, once they arrived they hopped into a turbolift that took them as far as deck 9.

Also: MSD's aren't to be taken seriously. Voyager's has two warp cores, when the ship clearly only has one. The Enterprise-E MSD is based on early concept drawings of the ship, and has a different shape and smaller nacelles than the model that was actually built for First Contact.

 

[C.E. Evans]

Another possibility regarding the Voyager was that when she was launched, not all of her internal volume was habitable. A good chunk of the ship's interior (perhaps anywhere up to a third perhaps?) could have been unpressurized spaceframe reserved for future crew complement expansion and new facilities down the road. Starships could be designed with the ability to be upgraded both internally and externally.

A future version of the Voyager might be able to fit a crew of 500+ easily without anyone having to share quarters. But stuck alone in the Delta Quadrant without a Federation starbase or Starfleet shipyard, that wasn't possible for the earlier version of the ship.

 

[MacLeod]

Just to point out... Deck one... that's the bridge and only the bridge.

Eh, not just the bridge. All the ships we've seen also have conference rooms and a Captain's office.

Except the Defiant, but it wasn't shaped like most other Federation ships.

Well all 24th Century ships we've seen. The 1701 and 1701-A and NX-2000 didn't have.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Just to point out... Deck one... that's the bridge and only the bridge.

Eh, not just the bridge. All the ships we've seen also have conference rooms and a Captain's office.

Except the Defiant, but it wasn't shaped like most other Federation ships.

And the Enterprise in the 2009 movie, where the bridge was foremost room on the deck, with a network of corridors behind.

Going by the "Under Contruction" teaser, it was on deck 3.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Just to point out... Deck one... that's the bridge and only the bridge.

Eh, not just the bridge. All the ships we've seen also have conference rooms and a Captain's office.

Except the Defiant, but it wasn't shaped like most other Federation ships.

Well all 24th Century ships we've seen. The 1701 and 1701-A and NX-2000 didn't have.

The bridge dome of the Excelsior (added to the model for STIV) is similar to that of the NX-01 Enterprise, with windows around, indicating rooms.

IIRC, "Mr Scotts Guide to the Enterprise" postulated a rotating turbolift, giving access to the airlock immediately behind the bridge on the refit-1701.