Why not just bring back Kirk before Star Trek XI?

[Yeffrey]

Why cant you people let go? Kirk is dead. He died in a bad scripted movie. Deal with it. Enough of resurrection already

 

[EliyahuQeoni]

Superman said:
Either Abrams is bullshitting about not being able to find a "non-fannish" way of bringing him back or he just lacks vision.

Or he has a vision that just doesn't have room for a resurrected "Old Kirk" in it.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Superman said:

FabiusMaximus said:

archeryguy1701 said:
Because the big proposal, other than resurrection, is having it happen before Generations. Nimoy's bit, on the other hand, is taking place in the 24th Century. So, the reason he can look older is because, fancy that, his character is older. However, if you look at the resurrection idea, Kirk would presumably be resurrected to te state he was in before he died, so the current Shat is still too old.

Spock goes back in time to stop Nero or whatever as part of the plot device used. Events take place in the past making some subtle changes in the timeline. There is no mention of resurrecting Kirk/Nexus/etc. New timeline/universe is established for new Trek cast so that they may have new adventures (sequels) without being beset with canon issues. As protector of new timeline/universe Spock (Nimoy) returns to 24th century. Without mentioning a damn thing, Kirk(Shatner) is there. Because of events that took place in the past of the new timeline/universe (see butterfly effect) Kirk survives in this time period. Yes, he's older, fatter, whatever, but he has survived Veridian and is now living in this new timeline. Nothing has to be said or justified save a line or two.

To be honest, I really believe this was the story that JJ and crew cooked up a year or so ago. I think they wanted Shatner all along but only for this cameo, and I think Shatner put up the stop sign at that point. And thta's sad, because it would have been an effective an fun story. We could have had the story we are getting plus the icing on the cake of Shatner for those few of us who would have liked to see Nimoy/Shatner one final time.

Either Abrams is bullshitting about not being able to find a "non-fannish" way of bringing him back or he just lacks vision.

We'll find out further down the line...

\S/

Unfortunately, no offense to Fabius, but this strikes me as the definition of "fanwank". I mean, this seems like we're making up some strange little plot just so we can see Shat's face in a Trek movie one more time.

Q:Why is Shatner in the movie?
Aunno. We just wanted him in it.

Q:How is Shatner's Kirk involved in the movie?
A:He shows up at the very end and says "hi" to show us that he's alive and well.

Q:How did Shatner's Kirk get there?
A: Not sure. I vote that old Spock or Nero stepped on a butterfly somewhere along the way.

I'm sorry, but anything we try 14 years later, especially for a cameo role, will just seem like fanwankery; getting Shatner in the movie for the sake of having him in the movie.

 

[Trujew]

Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

 

[ITL]

Trujew said:
Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

Assuming you're serious....

*Expletive deleted*

 

[Tralah]

Yeah, I hope it was just a bad joke. I'm not a fan of Shatner, but I sure as hell don't want him to DIE, so the annoying bring back Shatner talk for this movie can cease.

 

[Trujew]

ITL said:

Trujew said:
Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

Assuming you're serious....

*Expletive deleted*

Sorry but its only at that point that the talk will stop. His kirk died 14 years ago. He is too fat, too old, too egotistical and there is no good way to write him back into Star Trek. Good riddance, time to move on. Adam West isnt in The Dark Knight either, does that bother you?

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Trujew said:

ITL said:

Trujew said:
Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

Assuming you're serious....

*Expletive deleted*

Sorry but its only at that point that the talk will stop. His kirk died 14 years ago. He is too fat, too old, too egotistical and there is no good way to write him back into Star Trek. Good riddance, time to move on. Adam West isnt in The Dark Knight either, does that bother you?

No.

But you bother me.

 

[archeryguy1701]

I'm in agreement with the others. Do I want the "Bring Back Shatner!" threads to end? I wouldn't mind it. But in terms of appropriateness, your comment crossed the line a wee-bit.

 

[Thomas Riker]

Trujew said:

ITL said:

Trujew said:
Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

Assuming you're serious....

*Expletive deleted*

Sorry but its only at that point that the talk will stop. His kirk died 14 years ago. He is too fat, too old, too egotistical and there is no good way to write him back into Star Trek. Good riddance, time to move on. Adam West isnt in The Dark Knight either, does that bother you?

^ Trujew, Get a Life! There is really no need for the type of comments you make.

 

[ITL]

Trujew said:

ITL said:

Trujew said:
Sadly, I hope Shatner kicks the can soon so we can put to rest all the bring back shatner talk.

Assuming you're serious....

*Expletive deleted*

Sorry but its only at that point that the talk will stop. His kirk died 14 years ago. He is too fat, too old, too egotistical and there is no good way to write him back into Star Trek. Good riddance, time to move on. Adam West isnt in The Dark Knight either, does that bother you?

Hang on - I'll go back to my post and look for any reference to being bothered about people being/not being in movies that I might have made.

Nope. Didn't find a thing.

 

[davejames]

Uss Stardis said:
Perhaps the story is written with Kirks death very much in mind, it may not be the same story if Kirk were still alive, perhaps it would not work at all if he were?

That's been my thinking too. I've always assumed that Spock would outlive the others at SOME point, and I think it would be interesting as hell to explore that character during that time of his life.

The other concern is that putting Shatner AND Nimoy in the movie would risk overshadowing the new cast completely. I certainly know I would be paying more attention to the scenes featuring the two of them.

 

[Yeffrey]

Why is his comment inappropriate? Because he's right? Im a hardcore Star Trek fan and always have been, but it sickens even me that there are those idiots out there that keep starting threads like this and wanting to live in the past with the original crew. Why? What was so great about the TOS? The acting was beyond hammy, the special effects terrible and the characters (some of them) unlikable. Ill take JJ Abrams re-imagining with new actors and modern S/E any day of the week, than see old washed up hacks reprising the only role that made them famous.

 

[Michael]

Yeffrey said:
Why is his comment inappropriate? Because he's right? Im a hardcore Star Trek fan and always have been, but it sickens even me that there are those idiots out there that keep starting threads like this and wanting to live in the past with the original crew. Why? What was so great about the TOS? The acting was beyond hammy, the special effects terrible and the characters (some of them) unlikable. Ill take JJ Abrams re-imagining with new actors and modern S/E any day of the week, than see old washed up hacks reprising the only role that made them famous.

Oh oh, this is not going to end well ... *runs and tries to hide*

 

[Samuel T. Cogley]

Any post that begins with "I hope ________ kicks the can soon" is inappropriate, especially if it's just so you don't have to listen to something that rubs you the wrong way.

 

[archeryguy1701]

Yeffrey said:
Why is his comment inappropriate? Because he's right?

It's inappropriate because of the "I hope he dies soon so we don't have to listen to this any more" context. Okay, so these threads bother or irritate some people. But saying "I hope he dies soon..." is way out of line. We're not talking about a character any more. We're talking about a person.

 

[JoeZhang]

I quite like how people are banging on about respect for "shat" or "the shat"... because Shat means shit where I come from... just saying...

 

[Tralah]

You don't understand why it's inappropriate to wish for a beloved (to many) actor to DIE, so his more fanatical fans stop with the incessant whining about bringing him back for this movie? I've never been a fan of Shatner, and I could care less about him being in the movie. But I can't imagine wishing the guy to die just so we don't have more threads with people trying to come up with silly reasons to put him in the movie. Shatner as a person, has family and friends who love him. The callous remark about hoping he'll die soon, just really rubbed me the wrong way, sorry.

 

[archeryguy1701]

JoeZhang said:
I quite of like how people are banging on about respect for "shat" or "the shat"... because Shat means shit where I come from... just saying...

Oh, don't worry. Many of us know, and it is the source of a great wealth of jokes.

 

[Trujew]

i did start off with "Sadly" So that absolves me from getting any joy out of Bill dying, though the lack of topics like this would be a bonus.

Sorry if I look at the pros of certain situations