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Why no Constitution class ships in the 24th century?

The key in the wording IMHO is that the Phase One Search does not assume the person wants to remain unfound...

So the basic steps would involve paging Finney, and checking the cameras for any folks lying unconscious on the floor. There would be no need yet to check the cameras for Finney-lookalike people standing upright and flat out refusing to answer the page.

Quick glimpses would then cover all the bases for Phase One: "thorough" would stand for simple Boolean, that is, is there something floating out there or not, is there something lying down there or not? No face recognition, no opening of doors, no tracking of biosigns (which quite clearly is something they never do routinely even though they demonstrably can, so it's a big deal when it's done in "Court Martial").

The writer really nicely preempts technobabble concerns here, with the wording eliminating any and all futuristic tracking methods because the heroes aren't at tracking mode yet.

Timo Saloniemi

I love that TOS does that, finding a way to tell the story without getting caught up in too much tech if it is not needed. That's probably part of why we are still discussing it after all these years :) The point of the "Phase One" terminology is that Finney wasn't found with the tech, and then they characters have to deal with it.
 
I love that TOS does that, finding a way to tell the story without getting caught up in too much tech if it is not needed. That's probably part of why we are still discussing it after all these years :) The point of the "Phase One" terminology is that Finney wasn't found with the tech, and then they characters have to deal with it.

Also, would Finney have been found with tech since he can alter the visual records? If the systems were not ionized by the storm, search party members when reviewing the security video for clues probably saw him climb into the pod and then it being jettisoned but in actuality he could have been chilling in a different part of the ship. :)
 
Messing up with CCTV is a mixed bag here. Finney can do it - but for some reason, nobody realizes he might have. Even though we further learn in "The Menagerie" that detailed, dramatically edited CCTV material isn't normally available, and thus must have been edited here by the prosecution for the purposes of the court session. If any random Lt. Shaw can edit it, why would the court so blindly trust it in the first place?

Cutely, messing up with CCTV is said to be within the powers of Spock, too - and that's the very thing he achieves in "Balance of Terror", aboard a hostile alien vessel to boot. If every starship has three people capable of doing that sort of thing, then it's no wonder the Gideonites would have full imagery of Constitution innards available to them! Just hire a disgruntled Finney or two.

Although it may well be Starfleet sold out Kirk and his ship already. Kirk's boss is especially obstructionist here, and Kirk's health records seem to have been leaked alongside with the blueprints of his ship... All in all, reverse engineering of Starfleet ships probably isn't a problem, then - either to those doing the reverse engineering, or to Starfleet!

Who knows, perhaps the Romulans got their D-7s that way, too...

Timo Saloniemi
 
I dunno, if Oberths from the 2280s are in civilian hands, why not a Constitution? Probably remove the photorp launcher and reduce the phaser banks, there ya go.

Though the Constitution might have too many support requirements for civilian ports to handle. Antimatter of a certain grade, maintenance on key points and places that are expensive for a civilian operator to realistically cover, etx. Plus the ships are old and may require parts that are no longer manufactured. Its easy on the gradually uprated (and smaller) Oberths, but a connie?
 
Might be too large for most civilian operators. It isn't common to have disarmed cruisers in civilian service on Earth. Some get heavily modified and continue to be used in naval service (like as a crane ship (USS Kearsarge), or a floating barracks (many ships, even USS Constitution for a time), or a floating dock (Supposedly the incomplete Japanese battlecruiser Amagi had part of her hull saved as a floating barge/dock and its still in use somewhere at a naval base), or gunnery training ship (USS Utah or USS Wyoming)...those sorts of things).
 
On the other hand, cruisers have never been particularly large as ships go. They just happen to be built all wrong to serve as freighters of that size, say. In the Trek future, there might be civilian ways to make use of cruiser hulls, ways that have no counterpart today. A bit like a cruiser of the 19th century could have been utilized as a merchantman, to stretch another Trek analogy.

Timo Saloniemi
 
On the other hand, cruisers have never been particularly large as ships go. They just happen to be built all wrong to serve as freighters of that size, say. In the Trek future, there might be civilian ways to make use of cruiser hulls, ways that have no counterpart today. A bit like a cruiser of the 19th century could have been utilized as a merchantman, to stretch another Trek analogy.

Timo Saloniemi

This is a great explanation as it explains the fact that the desktop Constitution-class Models in TNG have the window insert parts removed and replaced with cargo doors. The sideways nacelles give another clue.

Perhaps it works like this:

Let's call the TOS architecture type 0, the refit architecture type 1, etc.

Maybe a TOS ship can be updated from version 0 to type 1 or 2, but not on to type 3,4, etc.

Perhaps a newly-built ship of refit version 1 can be updated to are 2,3,4 and beyond.

Thus, Constitutions could not be refitted again and again, but Mirandas and Constellations could. By DS9, we a type 3 or 4 Miranda, because those were new builds in the 2290's, but ships from the 2240's-2260's could not be updated again. That would mean Centaurs were never made in high numbers because they only needed to replace Mirandas that could not be refit again. The various revolutions of Bridge Modules would support this, especially since the new Bridges with ready rooms and fewer consoles had to fit in a dome that looks the same from the outside as an older bridge.

Meanwhile, new tech was TESTED in Constitution class hulls, but they would not have handled it for acutal service, so they later became cargo ships. Heck, this sort of approach explains why the Wanbundu class is called both a freighter and a cruiser in TNG.
 
What if the Enterprise wasn't destroyed in ST3?

Kirk: I'm captain of the Enterprise. Spock here tells me you're lookin' for passage to the Alderaan system?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Kirk: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Enterprise?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Should I have?
Kirk: It's the ship that entered a different space time continuum. I've outrun Federation starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Excelsior ships now. She's fast enough for you old man. What's the cargo?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Only passengers. Myself, the boy, two droids... and no questions asked.
Kirk: [chuckles] What is it? Some kind of local trouble?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements.​

:D
 
What if the Enterprise wasn't destroyed in ST3?

Kirk: I'm captain of the Enterprise. Spock here tells me you're lookin' for passage to the Alderaan system?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Yes indeed, if it's a fast ship.
Kirk: Fast ship? You've never heard of the Enterprise?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Should I have?
Kirk: It's the ship that entered a different space time continuum. I've outrun Federation starships. Not the local bulk cruisers mind you, I'm talking about the big Excelsior ships now. She's fast enough for you old man. What's the cargo?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Only passengers. Myself, the boy, two droids... and no questions asked.
Kirk: [chuckles] What is it? Some kind of local trouble?
Ben Obi-Wan Kenobi: Let's just say we'd like to avoid any Imperial entanglements.​

:D

Reminds me of The Ashes of Eden, where pretty much exactly that happened with the -A.
 
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