If you don't wanna accept it that's fine, but LLoyd didn't even get a fraction of the hate that midichlorians, Jar Jar and the wasting of Darth Maul did.
Why is toxic fandom destroying everything?
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Once again, bullshit.
have it your way, even if I provide hard proof you're just gonna overlook it so no point arguing further.
Midichlorians were made fun of. Maul's wasted potential and dearth of spoken lines annoyed a lot of us. Jar Jar and Ahmed Best DID get treated like garbage. But so did Jake Lloyd and 9-year-old Anakin Skywalker.
I heard a lot more bile about Anakin and Jake's acting than I did Maul's poor screen time and development.
I heard a lot more bile about Anakin and Jake's acting than I did Maul's poor screen time and development.
I think the biggest thing I remember, was how free and easily the internet bandwagon would piss all over Jake Lloyd. It continues to stand out, because of how callous people were and continue to be.
Fandoms have become folks I largely don’t like, because of how callous they were and continue to be.
I feel bad for Jahvid Best, as well. But, as a grown man, he at least got time to develop a thicker skin than Lloyd.
And got redemption in Season 3 of The Mandalorian (not that he needed any, but his cameo was beautiful and one of the best things to happen in that entire season of the series).
There was more backlash toward Jar Jar than Jake.
Not sure what point you are trying to make here? There was tremendous backlash against both of them. Iunno? Guess we should be thankful there are as many racist Star Wars fans as there are. To cover the blight of their treatment of Jake Lloyd.
The Maul thing is hard to disagree with but I don't recall widespread complaining about it at the time.
I do. "That's it? That's the new villain? He barely speaks and then gets killed. What a lame move."
It wasn't at the top of complaint lists but it was there.
It wasn't at the top of complaint lists but it was there.
True. This one poster GhoulEddie74 was shown to have repeated a false rumor, but, because it conveniently suited his narrative, he wouldn't acknowledge his error.
(Which obviously doesn't excuse people being mean about a kid online, but in a discussion, honesty and facts are important.)
Johnson absolutely failed in his use of Finn, but the character was ruined before the halfway point of TFA itself. First, the crux of his character - being disgusted with his fellow troopers being treated as disposable cannon fodder - was made a mockery of just minutes later, when he whooped and cheered as he and Poe mowed down... his fellow troopers.
Then he met up with Rey, started bantering/flirting with her, and tried to convince her they should run off into the galaxy and chart their own futures. This from a guy raised since birth to be a military grunt, who never even had the dignity of a name?? There was even less effort to reckon with the trauma and behavioral limitations of such an abusive upbringing than there was effort to show Luke mourning the killing of his adoptive parents. Finn wasn't a character; he was a plucky attitude played by a gifted and charismatic actor. Johnson failed to improve or rehabilitate this problem, but TFA left him almost nothing to work with.
Both got eviscerated. It was pretty even and who got more hate sort of depended on the day and which website you visited.
Agreed. Was hearing it in online forums, fan groups, and on various fan outlets. It was over the top against Lloyd and Best.
You just admitted to the fact that the kid was treated poorly. What else is false? That he has a mental disorder? Hate to tell it to you, but if he has a mental disorder, then the cruelty of a bunch of overaged internet trolls certainly didn't help matters.
Okay, so Boyega says that he was made to be a hero in TFA, but from Last Jedi onwards he was downplayed and pushed aside. That does not contradict what I said, it supports it. Yeah, he blames Disney and Lucasfilm, because they were the decision makers. What brought them to their decisions is the topic here.
And I don't buy them pushing Boyega aside in the last two films for the Chinese market. Marketing, sure, but not the films themselves. Otherwise they would have not treated Kelly Marie Tran the way they did.
Not sure I see the problem, honestly. Like many humans, we find out that Finn has complex emotions, especially about the First Order.
It wasn't a mockery. He was angry and disgusted at how he'd been manipulated and used by his commanding officers and the First Order and was lashing out against his former masters. That's sort of what human beings do.
I get we're not going to see complex and layered emotional reasons why most Star Wars characters do the things they do, but even what we got with Finn after he realized he'd been fighting for the wrong side was adequate and showed he was no longer going to be the First Order's pawn.
This kind of thing happens in real life. One can mourn your former comrades being cannon fodder and still cheer when the bad guys get beaten, even if some of your old buddies fight for the bad guys.
I get we're not going to see complex and layered emotional reasons why most Star Wars characters do the things they do, but even what we got with Finn after he realized he'd been fighting for the wrong side was adequate and showed he was no longer going to be the First Order's pawn.
This kind of thing happens in real life. One can mourn your former comrades being cannon fodder and still cheer when the bad guys get beaten, even if some of your old buddies fight for the bad guys.
And we speak for the majority here? Because this wasn't just online trolls but in magazines commenting about how unusual it was for a black stormtrooper and uncertain what to make of Finn's character. It was not portrayed as a positive reaction to the first trailer.
Rey's character is fantastic. She's as bland as Luke in ANH. Her arc was comparable to Luke's.
Luke is the original Mary Sue! *runs*
Cooleddie wrote "The toxic fanbase almost drove Jake Lloyd to suicide." StarTrek1701 presented a Deadline article in which Lloyd's mother stated that he was barely aware of toxic online crap.
A false story is a false story, even if it suits the well-intentioned point one wants to make.
Another false and/or dishonest statement. He was whooping and cheering while gunning down his fellow grunts, not his former masters (i.e., Phasma or other officers). His former victims and slaves.
Incoherent characterization ≠ complexity.
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