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Why is toxic fandom destroying everything?

How is "Power of Many" any sillier than anything else we've seen in SW?

It's not a question of silliness, I think, but a question of cool. Star Wars, at its core, has always been (or at least was traditionally understood as being) cool. Scrappy Jedi fighting against fascist Imperials are cool. Cocky, roguish smugglers like Han, and swaggering entrepreneurs like Lando, are cool. Badass, take-charge women like Leia are cool.

A group of nobodies in a nowhere corner of the galaxy chanting silly chants? Not very cool. Jedi trying to coerce children into abandoning their families to join the order by letting them handle a lightsaber? Not cool.

To circle back to Andor, because all things Wars should circle back to Andor these days, as grim and intense as that show is, it's also cool, because Andor himself is a charismatic, cool dude. He has the guts to fight cops rather than let himself be arrested, the grit to swiftly execute a comrade-turned-traitor, and the daring to incite a prisoner's rebellion. He's cool, damn it.

Not every genre property has to foreground cool. Indeed, Trek thrives when it focuses on professional dorks, doing their jobs cooperatively and constructively. But Star Wars should probably always be cool. Don't want to make something cool? Maybe find another IP.


White Male Lead cancels the rest out, sorry.

LOL
 
Luke was communicating with the dead via the Force at the end of A New Hope. He is every bit the "Mary Sue" that Rey is. Or, for that matter, pretty much any main character in fiction.

Nostalgia is one Hell of a drug.
It's not just nostalgia, as is implicit in your comments. There's one crucial difference between Luke and Rey that causes the latter to be judged more harshly by male fans, and it's got nothing to do with the age of their respective films or when viewers first encountered them.
 
It's not just nostalgia, as is implicit in your comments. There's one crucial difference between Luke and Rey that causes the latter to be judged more harshly by male fans, and it's got nothing to do with the age of their respective films or when viewers first encountered them.

Unfortunately, I know. They seem to forget that there is no indication that Luke had ever even been to space before, but he ends up being a master of an X-Wing with less than 15 seconds of training, looks to be the only survivor of the Red group who surely were all far more experienced fighter pilots than Luke, then he delivers the final blow to the Death Star while channeling Obi-Wan Kenobi.

That is one Hell of a first day. :lol:
 
Its not the fans fault that the IP owners are telling shitty stories with shitty characters with shitty writing. Its not the fandoms that are destroying everything. There is a big difference between the content coming out now and the content 10-15 years ago. These choices are firmly at the feet of management, who rather then admit bad decisions, double down and blame fans, and it becomes a viscious cycle. If you don't give the customer what they want to purchase, they will stop purchasing. Its that simple.
Good. Stop purchasing.

What I see fans do is keep purchasing. And no, it's not "destroying" anything. The stuff still exists.

I agree that there are poor stories out there, but, just like in 2009, nothing is ruined, destroyed or anything of the sort.

But, Yes, I agree. STOP. PURCHASING.

over multiple movies, tons of offscreen training, and months if not years going by.
Nope.
 
Sorry for the double post.
Unfortunately, I know. They seem to forget that there is no indication that Luke had ever even been to space before, but he ends up being a master of an X-Wing with less than 15 seconds of training, looks to be the only survivor of the Red group who surely were all far more experienced fighter pilots than Luke, then he delivers the final blow to the Death Star while channeling Obi-Wan Kenobi.

That is one Hell of a first day. :lol:
Yeah, Luke was ridiculously over the top. An everyman character who immediately is the only one able to fly and make the shot.

Sounds pretty ridiculous. And Obi-Wan trained him on flying too?
 
Sorry for the double post.

Yeah, Luke was ridiculously over the top. An everyman character who immediately is the only one able to fly and make the shot.

Sounds pretty ridiculous. And Obi-Wan trained him on flying too?


Rey was what, 8? When her parents abandoned her. Imagine the life she likely led between then and The Force Awakens. Probably ran for her life a few times, fought for her life a few times, was probably sexually battered a few times, as well. Lots of times where she likely went to bed hungry.

If we think hard enough, we know why Rey was able to go blow-for-blow with punk Kylo Ren.
 
Luke was communicating with the dead via the Force at the end of A New Hope. He is every bit the "Mary Sue" that Rey is. Or, for that matter, pretty much any main character in fiction.

Nostalgia is one Hell of a drug.


Obi Wan is reaching out to Luke, Luke's power levels have nothing to do with it.

Sorry for the double post.

Yeah, Luke was ridiculously over the top. An everyman character who immediately is the only one able to fly and make the shot.

Sounds pretty ridiculous. And Obi-Wan trained him on flying too?

Luke is established to be a good pilot was established at least 3 times over the course of the movie, plus it's established that it runs in the family. You can say Rey's skill set was established in TFA but it clearly wasn't to the same extent and requires the audience to actively theorize on their own about her life there.

Luke's one big force act is the Exhaust port shot, its the climax of the entire movie. Rey had multiple force skills under her belt by the end of the movie.
 
Speaking for oversaturation...


Which is only proper after eating at a Taco Bell...
Taco Bell is my guilty pleasure. It was the one thing I missed from America when I lived in Europe. Sure, Taco Bell is bad…. But dang it all…. I missed it. Now that I’m back I rarely go. Funny , isn’t it?
 
Obi Wan is reaching out to Luke, Luke's power levels have nothing to do with it.



Luke is established to be a good pilot was established at least 3 times over the course of the movie, plus it's established that it runs in the family. You can say Rey's skill set was established in TFA but it clearly wasn't to the same extent and requires the audience to actively theorize on their own about her life there.

Luke's one big force act is the Exhaust port shot, its the climax of the entire movie. Rey had multiple force skills under her belt by the end of the movie.
It wasn't established with Luke. He was a pilot and a farmer. That's it, and yet he out flies Vader and makes a one in a million shot with one training session.

Rey is shown to be a pilot and a fighter and strong in the Force. Her qualifications are established like Luke's. Yet she's the only one questioned.
 
It wasn't established with Luke. He was a pilot and a farmer. That's it, and yet he out flies Vader and makes a one in a million shot with one training session.

Rey is shown to be a pilot and a fighter and strong in the Force. Her qualifications are established like Luke's. Yet she's the only one questioned.

He was the best star pilot in the galaxy, I understand you've become quite a pilot yourself.

You bet I could, I'm not such a bad pilot myself

I used to bullseye womp rats in my T-16 back home.

and Luke did not outfly Vader. He flew down the trench and Vader would have killed him if Han hadn't intervened.

I imagine flying a craft in outer space is far different than flying in an atmosphere.

Not in Star Wars it isn't.
 
Why is it a big deal? These movies are fantasies.

it annoys me that the follow up to "Rey isn't a Mary Sue" isn't "here how the story sets up her character and skills", its "Nu-uh, if she is Luke is too!!" She isn't by the way, just a poorly executed character.

That's an instance of Luke's being "established to be a good pilot"? I call it a defensive kid unconvincingly measuring dicks when confronted with real experience and a condescending attitude from Solo.

its one of several times the audience is reminded Luke is a skilled pilot before the skill becomes necessary in the plot, and I would be remiss to exclude it. How long before Rey is making mind bending maneuvers in the Falcon were we told she could fly? And did that statement imply anything near that level of skill?

And I have a feeling they were probably very different kinds of crafts too. You can't learn to fly an old crop duster and then jump in a F-35 and fly it with no problem.


Galaxy far far away or not, the audience knows that an aircraft with a T designation is used as a military training aircraft.
 
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