Why is the new film doing so terribly outside the US..???

[stonester1]

Exactly. While Trek could be complicated. Said complications didn't require your attention for more than an hour. And as wonderful as TOS characters were, there was next to NO development of them during the series.

Not so with Farscape and B5.

 

[Cyrus]

That's right, WE Americans. I'm an American. I'm a Farscape and B5 fan and DO find both to be deep and absorbing and think if any fan doesn't find them so, or at least deep, then you really aren't trying.

I wasn't implying you are not American. And I certainly wasn't offended by it, as sweeping generalizations usually don't bother me. I am just not sure if the claim was actually valid.

As to the deepness of those shows, I guess we disagree. They did require the viewer to watch regularly to fully appreciate the shows, but so did DS9 (which I liked a lot more than those 2).

 

[stonester1]

And I would agree with you there, at least on DS9 also needing that kind of focus and attention. Which is why it is my favorite of the Treks, one of many.

Though I am also a deep fan of TOS, TNG and season four of ENT.

But yeah, DS9 was an amazing show, all hail RDM.

 

[Trilliam]

Can't remember it being after dinner but I can remember if being on in the 5 - 6pm time slot on Ch9 and that was in 79 (hope it was cos I say I've been a Star Trek fan for 30 years).

Well, it depends on which state you lived in. It certainly wasn't airing in Sydney in 1979. About ten TOS eps (first time in colour!) to welcome colour TV to Australia in 1975 - and they also re-ran TAS (first time in colour!) during "The Super Flying Fun Show" weekday breakfast show the same year. Lots of old shows and cartoons were re-presented in colour in 1975. (I somehow missed TOS in b/w first run, but did see many b/w TAS eps on Saturday mornings.)

I've been a fan for 30 years because that's when TMP premiered.

Also, remember that Roddenberry suggested to Paramount that TOS repeats be pulled from circulation for a few months before the movie came out, to get fans really hungry for TMP.

1986-87. Capital 7, 2pm Sundays. Back in the days when there was only 1 commercial station in the ACT/Queanbeyan region. That's when DH and I started the process of turning DS1 (around15-18months old) into a baby Trekker.

We had both seen the whole thing in glorious b&w back in the 60s, then the re-runs.

 

[Marc]

Can't remember it being after dinner but I can remember if being on in the 5 - 6pm time slot on Ch9 and that was in 79 (hope it was cos I say I've been a Star Trek fan for 30 years).

Well, it depends on which state you lived in. It certainly wasn't airing in Sydney in 1979. About ten TOS eps (first time in colour!) to welcome colour TV to Australia in 1975 - and they also re-ran TAS (first time in colour!) during "The Super Flying Fun Show" weekday breakfast show the same year. Lots of old shows and cartoons were re-presented in colour in 1975. (I somehow missed TOS in b/w first run, but did see many b/w TAS eps on Saturday mornings.)

I've been a fan for 30 years because that's when TMP premiered.

Also, remember that Roddenberry suggested to Paramount that TOS repeats be pulled from circulation for a few months before the movie came out, to get fans really hungry for TMP.

1986-87. Capital 7, 2pm Sundays. Back in the days when there was only 1 commercial station in the ACT/Queanbeyan region. That's when DH and I started the process of turning DS1 (around15-18months old) into a baby Trekker.

We had both seen the whole thing in glorious b&w back in the 60s, then the re-runs.

Not quite old enough to have seen the first runs in the 60s

I was in Adelaide and Ch9 there was only an affiliate which is why Star Trek was shown in the 5 - 6pm slot.

Anyone remember when TOS turned up ch9 a few years back when at the time Ch9 had the rights to TNG/DS9/Voy/Ent (I can't remember when it was shown to know what first runs series was on at the time).

 

[Trilliam]

Well, it depends on which state you lived in. It certainly wasn't airing in Sydney in 1979. About ten TOS eps (first time in colour!) to welcome colour TV to Australia in 1975 - and they also re-ran TAS (first time in colour!) during "The Super Flying Fun Show" weekday breakfast show the same year. Lots of old shows and cartoons were re-presented in colour in 1975. (I somehow missed TOS in b/w first run, but did see many b/w TAS eps on Saturday mornings.)

I've been a fan for 30 years because that's when TMP premiered.

Also, remember that Roddenberry suggested to Paramount that TOS repeats be pulled from circulation for a few months before the movie came out, to get fans really hungry for TMP.

1986-87. Capital 7, 2pm Sundays. Back in the days when there was only 1 commercial station in the ACT/Queanbeyan region. That's when DH and I started the process of turning DS1 (around15-18months old) into a baby Trekker.

We had both seen the whole thing in glorious b&w back in the 60s, then the re-runs.

Not quite old enough to have seen the first runs in the 60s

I was in Adelaide and Ch9 there was only an affiliate which is why Star Trek was shown in the 5 - 6pm slot.

Anyone remember when TOS turned up ch9 a few years back when at the time Ch9 had the rights to TNG/DS9/Voy/Ent (I can't remember when it was shown to know what first runs series was on at the time).

I was 9 when TOS started in Sydney the first time. It was the one night a week I was allowed to stay up. It was on at either 8:30 or 9:30 - it's hard to remember - it was 40 years ago.


When Ch9 in Sydney started airing TNG, I seem to remember not long after, Ch7 started airing TOS again.

 

[donners22]

Channel seven was airing TOS into the late 90s. There was a point where TOS, DS9 and Voyager were airing Tuesday to Thursday at 10:30 or 11pm.

 

[Trilliam]

Channel seven was airing TOS into the late 90s. There was a point where TOS, DS9 and Voyager were airing Tuesday to Thursday at 10:30 or 11pm.

They seemed to stop when Ch9 stopped airing the other Trek incarnations - funny, that.

 

[donners22]

Ch9 was running the final seasons of Voyager and DS9 plus Enterprise well into the last decade, long after 7 stopped with TOS. They just weren't airing them at vaguely decent times.

I hate tennis because of 9, since they always replaced Trek with it.

 

[Trilliam]

Ch9 was running the final seasons of Voyager and DS9 plus Enterprise well into the last decade, long after 7 stopped with TOS. They just weren't airing them at vaguely decent times.

I hate tennis because of 9, since they always replaced Trek with it.

And cricket, golf, and just about any other sport you can name. Wretched 11 -11:30pm timeslot. PITA when you have to be up at 5:30am.

Howmany times can you show the same 79 episodes continually? They then replaced it with Buffy and Angel (from memory).

 

[Australis]

^ They just took so damn long to get the damn series ended, and showing them in a crappy timeslot interrupting them with tennis, cricket, golf, darts from the Women's Institute, live results from the Wagga Wagga Egg Producers and Sanitary Inspectors Laides Auxiliary Bi-Annual Tea Drinking and Knife Throwng Championships. And so forth, and so on.

Worth noting that Ch9 is the same entity responsible for kicking off Farscape then dropping it. Mind you, I always found Farscape's storytelling, while good, a little self indulgent - they were never going to take a mainstream audience along with them.

Which leads me to a off topic point - how's Lost doing ratings wise, now it's gone from a drama about survivors of a plane crash to a show about time travel and the destiny of a strange island?

 

[Trilliam]

^ They just took so damn long to get the damn series ended, and showing them in a crappy timeslot interrupting them with tennis, cricket, golf, darts from the Women's Institute, live results from the Wagga Wagga Egg Producers and Sanitary Inspectors Laides Auxiliary Bi-Annual Tea Drinking and Knife Throwng Championships. And so forth, and so on.


Which leads me to a off topic point - how's Lost doing ratings wise, now it's gone from a drama about survivors of a plane crash to a show about time travel and the destiny of a strange island?

My 2nd son lives in Wagga Wagga - he's a student at CSU.

Re: "Lost" - they lost me after the first episode. Life is too short to watch that.......stuff.

 

[donners22]

I'm still with Lost, but I think its ratings here are about 30% of the early days. It was the third season that lost the viewers, IIRC.

 

[RobertScorpio]

The title terribly in the thread is misleading and wrong.

Since it's a subjective word, it can't be 'wrong', but you can think it is though...

Didn't intend to mislead or anything, I've just noticed that when you want your topic to get some attention, you have to use extremes sometimes... It may not justify it, but it explains it a little I guess... Of course, I could have titled it: 'Why is the film making less overseas compared to the domestic gross or other similar titles?'

Great title..it got reaction...and believe me, being a TITLE muncher like I am, it worked!!!

Rob

 

[Therin of Andor]

When Ch9 in Sydney started airing TNG, I seem to remember not long after, Ch7 started airing TOS again.

The Seven Network secured TOS rights when Nine let them lapse in the early 80s (not long before ST II arrived in cinemas). They launched it with a huge, free gala event at the majestic State Theatre, Sydney, and it was covered by the late TV news. In the background, as ASTREX club members were being interviewed, was the cinema marquee for "Clash of the Titans", which had been the current film at the State that month.

Seven ran most of the series weeknight in prime time, in production order, then it shifted the rest to weekends, and they repeated all 40 "G" episodes on the weekends, between tennis marches. Seven had the exclusive right to secure TNG for themselves, but they had to agree to a twelve-month video holdback, and they refused. Thus TNG passed to Nine, and Seven got cheeky by re-running some TOS.

Funnily enough, Aussies actually saw Diana Muldaur in "L.A. Law" before we saw her on TV playing Pulaski!

 

[Trilliam]

When Ch9 in Sydney started airing TNG, I seem to remember not long after, Ch7 started airing TOS again.

The Seven Network secured TOS rights when Nine let them lapse in the early 80s (not long before ST II arrived in cinemas). They launched it with a huge, free gala event at the majestic State Theatre, Sydney, and it was covered by the late TV news. In the background, as ASTREX club members were being interviewed, was the cinema marquee for "Clash of the Titans", which had been the current film at the State that month.

Seven ran most of the series weeknight in prime time, in production order, then it shifted the rest to weekends, and they repeated all 40 "G" episodes on the weekends, between tennis marches. Seven had the exclusive right to secure TNG for themselves, but they had to agree to a twelve-month video holdback, and they refused. Thus TNG passed to Nine, and Seven got cheeky by re-running some TOS.

Funnily enough, Aussies actually saw Diana Muldaur in "L.A. Law" before we saw her on TV playing Pulaski!

It was 9am on a Saturday morning. We were there. I cried at the end. My husband (then fiance) had won tickets to see it. We'd seen "Clash of the Titans" (and "Excalibur" too). With TNG, we were hiring them from the video store before CH9 started airing them.

 

[Captain Fine]

I object to the title of this thread. It should say "Why is the new film doing so terribly outside of North America"

When the "domestic" box office numbers are released, they include Canada. Star Trek's popularity in Canada is probably about the same as in the US, if not slightly more.

Interestingly enough, Terminator beat NATM2 this weekend in Canada--the TV ads specifically hailed it as the #1 movie in Canada (they only ever do that if the movie is #1 here but not the US).

 

[Therin of Andor]

It was 9am on a Saturday morning. We were there. I cried at the end. My husband (then fiance) had won tickets to see it. We'd seen "Clash of the Titans" (and "Excalibur" too).

Ummm, aren't you thinking of the ST II sneak preview at the State Theatre, in August 1982? I was at that, too.

"Clash of the Titans" was screening in Sydney late August/early Sept 1981. The ST TV preview was rumoured to be a double feature of "City on the Edge..." and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", but it turned out to be "Menagerie" Parts 1 & 2 instead. (I'd only just seen the two-parter on home video a few days before; I'd have preferred "Battlefield" because I hadn't seen it.) It was a week night. The series began airing a few days later. Big promo!

I still have my invitation from Channel Seven here, in a photo album! We had to register our attendance with Galaxy Bookshop. A guy in our club, David Thornell, was liaison for the event (and 200 seats at a gala ST II premiere the next year. Glutton for punishment.)

 

[Trilliam]

It was 9am on a Saturday morning. We were there. I cried at the end. My husband (then fiance) had won tickets to see it. We'd seen "Clash of the Titans" (and "Excalibur" too).

Ummm, aren't you thinking of the ST II sneak preview at the State Theatre, in August 1982? I was at that, too.

"Clash of the Titans" was screening in Sydney late August/early Sept 1981. The ST TV preview was rumoured to be a double feature of "City on the Edge..." and "Let That Be Your Last Battlefield", but it turned out to be "Menagerie" Parts 1 & 2 instead. (I'd only just seen the two-parter on home video a few days before; I'd have preferred "Battlefield" because I hadn't seen it.) It was a week night.

I still have my invitation from Channel Seven here, in a photo album! We had to register our attendance with Galaxy Bookshop. A guy in our club, David Thornell, was liaison for the event (and 200 seats at a gala ST II premiere the next year. Glutton for punishment.)

MAybe.

Re: "Clash of the Titans", if memory serves, that was the movie hubby and I saw on our first date or very early in our relationship. We were always going to the movies, in those far off pre mortgage/pre children days...

 

[3D Master]

Why is it the new film not doing so good outside the US?

Hmm... Oh, I'm taking a stab at it; but maybe because most of us people outside of the US actually realized the following:

http://www.californiachronicle.com/a...s/yb/130668300

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