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Why is the new film doing so terribly outside the US..???

I come a bit after the battle but I'm going to try to give you France's side of things. Sort of. I can't pretend it's going to be a bird's nest view.

I'll begin with the box-office here.

The first week (it was released 6th May), it made 433.725 entries, which is pretty good for France. Wolverine was released the week before and it was at 488.032 entries. It's important to note that STXI had much better critiques (both from the "average" audience and from professionals) than Wolverine here. STXI could have progressed much more but Angels and Demons was released the week after.
So by the end of its second week, STXI was at 634.538, Wolverine at 1.703.632 (after three weeks) and Angels and Demons at 805.694 after only one week of showing. So yeah, the numbers speak for themselves.
BUT there are other numbers which are very interesting, and that's the number of copies. The more copies are distributed in a country, the more there are theatres showing the movie.

-STXI: 480 copies
-Wolverine: 659 copies
-Angels and Demons: 758 copies

Note the almost ridiculous number of copies for STXI compared to the two other blockbusters!
There's a French movie, rather confidential, which was released during the same period with 459 copies :cardie:

That sucks, to say the least. Either you can say that they didn't distribute a lot of copies because they knew that there wasn't going to be a big audience in France, either there wasn't that big an audience in France because there wasn't enough copies, ie enough theatres showing the movie.
I won't even talk about IMAX. IMAX is a urban legend were I live :lol:

There was a promo on TV, in magazines… much, much more than for the previous Trek movies.

I live in a 40.000 inhabitants town (rather small, I grant you), there is one theatre with 4 screens. I've been living there for 21 years and STXI is the only ST movie they ever showed! Only this fact is telling about STXI's reputation.
I went to the very first showing (in the afternoon. I've always attended the showings in afternoon) and we were…two. In a place with 350 seats. Oops. Went again the week after, we were 7/8 in a place with…70 seats. They had moved the movie to a smaller place because it mustn't have been doing very well. The two last times I went, we were something like 10 in a 85 seats place (again, they had moved the movie).
The theatre is no longer showing the movie, after only 2 weeks. I've seen it 4 times :(

You know what? On its first afternoon showing, The Phantom Menace was packed full. Much ore than 350 seats were sold as they had to tell to a lot of people to go to the next showing.

Star Trek has a nerdy image in France and while it's in popular culture (generally people more or less know what you are talking about when you say "Star Trek", and they do know Mr Spock and his pointed ears), its universe isn't very well known. Blame the TV for that.

TOS was first aired on mainstream TV in…1982 (French dubbed) :rolleyes: It was aired again on mainstream TV 10 years after. After that, nada. That was the end of ST on mainstream TV.
TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were aired on a channel which was part of a satellite group of channels you had to pay for, and it was rather expensive.
I got to see TNG and DS9 because I bought the DVDs. The nice looking boxes cost me a total of 350 bucks. Yep. I really love ST!

Meanwhile, you have a show like Stargate (and also Atlantis) that's been aired on mainstream TV and in prime time, since its beginnings. With good audiences. I've spoken about that with lots of people, be it among my friends or at work and it seems that Stargate doesn't have the nerdy image ST has. Still, shows like BSG, Firefly, Babylon 5, Farscape and so on were never aired on mainstream TV. Apart from the BSG pilot. Then, we've never heard about it again :rolleyes:
There seems to be a problem here with science-fiction and as I'm not a sociologist, I can't really explain why.
You should see the way people look at me when I wear a ST tee-shirt (when they recognize what it's about, anyway) :lol:

From the conversations I overheard around me, the few audience I had with me in the theatre at my viewings wasn't from the fanbase, except from a teenager and a 60 years old woman. The others were here to watch a movie with spaceships, explosions and battles.
A lot of the stuff in the movie must have gone way over their heads but they seem to have really enjoyed the movie anyway.
I haven't seen ENT and when Spock spoke about a "katric arc" in the movie, I was like "Uh????" :wtf: I thought that there was a mistake in the French translation! So you see, I'm supposed to be a fan and there were references I couldn't grasp.
I'm not saying it's a big problem because as I said, the non-fan audience seemed to have a great time. But there's a problem with easily accessing to anything ST in France, especially if you don't speak English at all. The countdowns books have yet to be translated in French, for instance (the novelization is though, which is nicely surprising).

My two cents about all this. Sorry for the too long post no doubt full of typos and grammar mistakes.
 
The executives and producers must have known about the limited world appeal. They need to first solidify the US fanbase and then move from there.

TOS was first aired on mainstream TV in…1982 (French dubbed) :rolleyes: It was aired again on mainstream TV 10 years after. After that, nada. That was the end of ST on mainstream TV.
TNG, DS9, VOY and ENT were aired on a channel which was part of a satellite group of channels you had to pay for, and it was rather expensive.
I got to see TNG and DS9 because I bought the DVDs. The nice looking boxes cost me a total of 350 bucks. Yep. I really love ST!

Meanwhile, you have a show like Stargate (and also Atlantis) that's been aired on mainstream TV and in prime time, since its beginnings. With good audiences.

Well that explains France! Trek has basically never been shown to the greater public in France.

I think this same story is probably repeated throughout the world. Couple that with the fact the last 15 years of trek MOVIES have been dumpy and you have a recipe for a weak world boxoffice result.

On the other hand, Wolverine and Iron Man have pent up 30+ years positive response from comic sales, cartoons and other films; overall untapped theatric franchises with yet to be formed movie viewing opinions. Just show a sexy man with steel claws or a cool-dude with a jet suit on the screen and you generate interest with little negative. With Trek they have a lot of baggage to contend with---but it shouldn't be that way.
 
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it's doing well in the uk and canada (i think). isn't doing well in most english speaking countries? it's just the rest of the world has not taste is probably why.
 
TOS was first aired on mainstream TV in…1982 (French dubbed) :rolleyes: It was aired again on mainstream TV 10 years after. After that, nada. That was the end of ST on mainstream TV.

Not quite true. In 1982, only 13 episodes aired on TF1. Then 3 years later La Cinq aired the whole 79 episodes. Three times a day. Ah, good memories. :)
I had the chance to discover TOS in 78, though, due to my living next to Luxembourg...


Regarding the OP:

You have to take into account that tickets cost around 9.50€ over here. You think twice before returning to the theater. But then again, I watched the movie 9 times...
 
Just show a sexy man with steel claws or a cool-dude with a jet suit on the screen and you generate interest with little negative. With Trek they have a lot of baggage to contend with---but it shouldn't be that way.
I don't understand, Trek has a sexy guy in blue with pointed ears :p
Love your sig :lol:

Not quite true. In 1982, only 13 episodes aired on TF1. Then 3 years later La Cinq aired the whole 79 episodes. Three times a day. Ah, good memories. :)
Wow, thanks for refreshing my memory! I was born in 75 so I was a bit young when it was aired. I was sure I was in high school when it was aired on La Cinq but apparently not, I was only 10 :eek: Wait, I had the biggest crush on Spock, like, finding him very sexy and I was only 10?! :cardie:

You have to take into account that tickets cost around 9.50€ over here. You think twice before returning to the theater. But then again, I watched the movie 9 times...
In my neck of the woods, a ticket costs 7.80€. Granted, the screen's size is ridiculous compared to big multiplexes but you can't be picky.
 
The reason the new film is not doing well outside the USA becuase we like proper Star Trek out here, seeing this plastic, oversized redesign of what is a cult icon, (the Enterprise), the Orion animal girl was fat, and it reduced the legendary crew to a group of you adults that run arround and say oneliners. And Kirk is promoted to Captain straight from Cadet?
Nero has red matter that allows him to travel throught time, so why doesn't he use it to go back in tome to just warn everyone on Romulus about the supernova with the records of Romulus and Remus's destruction form his ships database? Spock was tryitn to help him but the star went nova to fast for thm to be able to do anything, this revenge of Nero's against Spock for betrying him makes absolutley no sense.
 
the Orion animal girl was fat

Huh?

Nero has red matter that allows him to travel throught time, so why doesn't he use it to go back in tome to just warn everyone on Romulus about the supernova with the records of Romulus and Remus's destruction form his ships database?
Nero traveled through time, and created a parallel universe almost immediately. He didn't even realise it was the past till just before he killed Robau.

Nero had no supply of red matter till he captured Ambassador Spock's ship 25 years later. To go forward in time, even by the slingshot trick, would only put them in the future of the new timeline, a future where his wife probably couldn't even meet the young Nero.
 
The reason the new film is not doing well outside the USA becuase we like proper Star Trek out here, seeing this plastic, oversized redesign of what is a cult icon, (the Enterprise), the Orion animal girl was fat, and it reduced the legendary crew to a group of you adults that run arround and say oneliners. And Kirk is promoted to Captain straight from Cadet?
Nero has red matter that allows him to travel throught time, so why doesn't he use it to go back in tome to just warn everyone on Romulus about the supernova with the records of Romulus and Remus's destruction form his ships database? Spock was tryitn to help him but the star went nova to fast for thm to be able to do anything, this revenge of Nero's against Spock for betrying him makes absolutley no sense.

More sense that your semi-literate post.

The words you are looking for are: Because. Around. One-Liners (Or One Liners). Through. Time. Trying. Too. Them. Betraying. Absolutely.

Also "Orion animal girl"? "A group of you adults"? (Young, perhaps? Though that wouldn't be correct since there's only one young member of that cast and that's Anton Yelchin.)

And you clearly didn't even pay attention to the film because Nero doesn't have the Red Matter, Spock Prime does.
 
Also... how bad is trek doing?
http://www.boxofficemojo.com/yearly/chart/?view2=worldwide&yr=2009&p=.htm

Fast and Furious 182.3
Ponyo (japanese, released last year) 182.1
Monsters v Aliens 152
Xmen 145
Angels v Demons 102
Star Trek 92

Star Trek is the #6 movie internationally... with incomplete data. Whatever Ponyo is about, it's a massive hit in Japan. Other than A&D (which has a large Roman Catholic Church free publiciity machine), all the other movies have been out longer.
 
the Orion animal girl was fat,

Wow, I REALLY don't get this. What kind of fucked up world do we live in, that curvy with big boobs=FAT?

I mean, WADDAFUK?

I mean, if waify chicks with the builds of prepubescent boys is your thing, fine, but FAT?

...wow...
 
All I know is, you look at the kinds of women who adorned the noses of planes in WW2...and somewhere between then and now (I suspect it happened sometime in the 70s), something horrible happened.

We have what we have...but I shall never surrender. Take the twigs, please, and bring on da boobies!
 
Of course it should be mentioned that just because its *overall* "international" take isn't keeping up with the domestic take, that doesn't mean that it's doing poorly in every single international market. It could be doing fantastic business in Western Europe, but if it doesn't keep up in Latin America and Asia, that would suppress the overall number. Also, I figured I'd repost this from another thread, because it amused me:

Google Trends top countries where Star Trek takes up the greatest proportion of all google searches:

http://www.google.com/trends?q=star+trek

1. Canada
2. United States
3. United Kingdom
4. Czech Republic
5. Australia
6. Germany
7. Hungary
8. Austria
9. Italy
10. Sweden

In contrast, the US and Canada are only #7 and 8 on the corresponding list for Farscape, and the US doesn't even make the top 10 for either Babylon 5 or Stargate.
 
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