Why is the delta quadrant so very far away??

[Guy Gardener]

at what point in their evolution did they couple?

Were they mostly lizard, or mostly human?

http://www.exoticpetvet.net/reptile/rerepro.html

According to that, Tom could have had two hemiphenes instead of a penis and that Janeway could have, and still might store surplus usable Paris sperm in her body for the next 6 years till she feels there is a use for it.

 

[tafkats]

Basically, Voyager retconned warp speed so that it was much slower, and pretended TOS episodes like "That Which Survives" (which explicitly says the Enterprise covered 1000 lightyears in 12 hours at warp 8.4 - they could have made Voyager's journey in a month!) didn't happen.

Which is good, because those distances and travel times were frankly kind of stupid.

It'd be hard to maintain much of an exploration show if the ship could cross the entire galaxy in a month and a half. Early Trek tended to throw around a lot of inconsistent numbers, and trying to make them all make sense would be pretty difficult.

 

[Finn]

at what point in their evolution did they couple?

Were they mostly lizard, or mostly human?

http://www.exoticpetvet.net/reptile/rerepro.html

According to that, Tom could have had two hemiphenes instead of a penis and that Janeway could have, and still might store surplus usable Paris sperm in her body for the next 6 years till she feels there is a use for it.

You just made the Borg baby cry

 

[F. King Daniel]

Basically, Voyager retconned warp speed so that it was much slower, and pretended TOS episodes like "That Which Survives" (which explicitly says the Enterprise covered 1000 lightyears in 12 hours at warp 8.4 - they could have made Voyager's journey in a month!) didn't happen.

Which is good, because those distances and travel times were frankly kind of stupid.

It'd be hard to maintain much of an exploration show if the ship could cross the entire galaxy in a month and a half. Early Trek tended to throw around a lot of inconsistent numbers, and trying to make them all make sense would be pretty difficult.

I don't think ultrafast ships damage the premise of Trek at all, thanks to the sheer size of the galaxy - 100 billion stars, 10 billion or so estimated to have livable worlds. There's only so much the 12 starships from the TOS era, or even the thousands in the TNG/DS9 era, could possibly ever see.

 

[Guy Gardener]

12 Federation Heavy Battle Cruisers.

Lots of smaller warships as well as larger and smaller ships not built for fighting, and starbases which are gun platforms more powerful than a dozen Constitution Starships, but rooted to the one spot.

 

[Skellington]

Fuel would also be an issue, limiting the shps to several short journeys or a small number of long journeys. If a ship has only enough fuel for 10000 light-years then it may be limited to a radius of half that and therefore an area that's roughly 1% that of the galaxy. In TOS, 11% had allegedly been explored already. I think Kirk also sad that the Federation (or was it the human race?) was already on a million planets.

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

I think Kirk also sad that the Federation (or was it the human race?) was already on a million planets.

Gah think of the galactic bureaucracy needed to keep that running.

 

[Guy Gardener]

the klingons were shooting fish in a barrel is what was really happening.

Shredding humans for imitation ghaak.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

what were the travel times to get back home for the Enterprise when she was flung across the galaxy(s) on occasdion?
Somehow Picard always managed it within 45 minutes of course.

DS9 was highly inconsistent as well. Flying to Kassidy Yate's brother's colony on the other side of the Federation was a trip of months I believe, yet a Ferengi shuttle makes in to Earth in just a few days apparently.

One thing that annoyed me, was how Voyager's crew always refered to 70 years until home even after they shaved a few tenthousand light years of that distance already.
Some people say they actually were not that far off from beta quadrant anymore anyway at the series end.
Of coure the Delta Quadrant was kind of a catchphrase for the show, so transitioning into beta quadrant for a season or so to get into hailing range of the Federation or at least the Romulan Empire wouldn'thave been cool enough for mainstream and suits.

 

[Guy Gardener]

The Doctor masquerading as Janeway in Renaissance Man claims that the baddie over the horizon, that the vastness of their evil empire extends clear to the Beta Quadrant border.

They were good with counting their light years.

Berman was just shit at figuring out where the border to the Beta Quadrant was, and how long from the Alpha/Beta border Earth was, that once they hit known space, there was probably still 10 years till Earth.

Cassidy's brother lived on Cestus III, where Kirk fought the Gorn (Shakka! When the walls came down!). So that bugger is living on the border of the Gorn Hegemony. Which since we NEVER saw any Gorn in the 24th century, we'll have to conclude that region of space is the boondocks.

 

[USS Excelsior]

They always ended the show with traveling home at Warp 6.

And they always referred to getting back to the Alpha Quadrant like it's home, but they could be in the right quadrant but at the border of Gamma and be very far away from home.

Also in one timeline the news said they spent 23 years in the Delta Quadrant as if they just tripped over the Alpha Quadrant border and then suddenly their home.

 

[Guy Gardener]

And they could have.

It might have taken them 14 years to be within reach of the Beta Quadrant when they came across/invented/were gifted a shortcut all the way home.

 

[Therin of Andor]

In a way, I like this particular retconn. Slightly less of the "moving at the speed of plot" trope.

The retcon was first explained in TNG's first writers' guide. The warp scale was reconfigured from what we'd seen in TOS.

 

[Finn]

Why is the delta quadrant so very far away??

Because they live in far far away

 

[Guy Gardener]

So we might have been arguing about Shruvok all these years?

 

[Finn]

You mean Shreelix?

 

[Guy Gardener]

Possibly.

But I was still thinking that the episode with the transporter accident still happened, adding Tuvok into that ungodly mess.

 

[Captain_Nick]

Rather than starting a new thread...

I saw the S3 episode 'Darkley' - I think that's what it's called, it is the one where the Doc dicks around with his software and creates his own Mr Hyde - and in it, we find out that Kes had broken up with Neelix?????

What's up with that????

 

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

Oh go ahead, DO start a new thread about Kes and Neelix and their big break up!

Because some may not read a thread about distance and the Delta quadrant. OR you could just post this in the already long running thread with Kes in the title.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Methinks Nick tried for the Kes thread and missed.

Some of us drink, and some of us are naturally crosseyed.

Shit happens.