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Why is DS9 your favorite?

Ensemble casting and character development.

Yeah, the action and space battles are good too, and the serialization and political intrigue added to the experience. But the large cast combined of main and supporting cast and character development or everyone on the show and not just for three or four characters is what sells the shows. It makes the show feel more real and organic to see everyone get used, even when they don’t say a word.

Would Harry Kim survive DS9? He could barely make it out of Quark's.

He probably would.

First, Deep Space Nine and the Defiant never encountered anything like the spatial scission that caused the original Harry Kim to die. That alone ups his chances.

Second, he would get promoted much sooner. Forcing him to adapt his world view with the added responsibility. Harry was never pushed to grow beyond his rank on Voyager and in many ways, remained a bright-eyed ensign for all seven seasons on VOY. While Bashir on DS9 grew out of that bright eyed optimism that he came onto DS9 with at the start of S1 over several years.

Third, he’d be close enough to Libby to further develop that relationship. And if that relationship ends, then he has a lot of options on the station. On Voyager, he was either going on double dates involving Tom Paris and the Delaney sisters, or he was falling in love with random aliens and got reprimanded by Janeway for that in one case.

Fourth, he’d be close to his family, like many others on the station are close to theirs. and his family would push him to do better in both his professional career and personal life. On Voyager, he had Janeway as a substitute mom, who was more protective of him than anything.

Harry would just take O’Brien’s place for half of the suffering that O’Brien went through over those seven years. But neither would suffer as much as they did over those seven years on their respective shows.
 
That or their combined bad luck would generate a metryon cascade implosion wave that would reduce the station to duranium splinters.
 
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I grew to appreciate it, especially when season 4 started - which was when I first took a stronger look at the earlier seasons and found tons more to enjoy.

That didn't mean I didn't always pooh-pooh some episodes on first run, like "Starship Down" as it felt like a lame redo of "Disaster" (TNG), but a later re-watch had me re-evaluating and placing "Starship Down" much higher.

And for all its flaws, I always found something about "Let He Who Is Without Sin" to be legitimately underrated. Ditto for "Move Along Home" too. But season 7, complete with that awful baseball episode, ranks up there with one of the worst and most forgettable.

In the end, it really is about the character archetypes - bonus points for the actors who come in and if they gel on screen with one another. And Garak (who was surely born under Scorpio* :devil:) easily became my favorite character, in close tow being Bashir -- one of TV's best double-acts, apart from Vila and Avon... but that's another story. The main claim to fame here is that the characters are really what set DS9 apart. Closer to real and relatable in archetype, but still discernible as people from a future time, which is not easy to pull off.

* for more on that, ask Harry. He's Dirty, you know... As with so many other esteemed and talented actors brought in, Andy Robinson was a real coup.
 
That's the fundamental difference between DS9 and Voyager. DS9 has aged like wine, becoming better with age. Voyager has aged like leftovers in your refrigerator.
 
When it was on I was mad at it for not being as idealistic as TNG and Voyager.

Now, it's the only series that balances Roddenberrian idealism with the necessities of real world politics. It manages to toe that line where idealism is placed as the standard but sometimes when other people don't follow that standard it's okay to do what it's necessary to protect it.
 
I agree with the reasons others have given— the ensemble cast, the memorable characters and the long story arcs. Kira and Dax appealed to me especially—strong, complex women, not as physicians or counselors as in TNG but as scientists, tacticians and leaders, without losing their femininity. Also, DS9 is unique in not boldly going forth to seek out new civilizations – which often meant finding new ways to break the Prime Directive. It’s about boldly staying right where you are and coping with threatening situations in constructive ways. Exploring monolithic cultures – fascist (Cardassian), capitalist (Ferengi) and religious (Bajoran). Being receptive and open minded instead of imposing our values on the galaxy. The Promenade on the station as a gathering of many diverse ways of life.

I totally admired Kate Mulgrew’s acting in Voyager, thought she was by far the best thing about the series. I wanted to like the overarching theme of finding one’s way home, but felt the first episode of basically choosing martyrdom went too far toward defining Janeway as a bleeding heart who sacrificed the future of her own crew to protect aliens she barely knew.
 
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Yeah: bleeding heart wussies putting an entire world of civilians above themselves...
Well, just to clarify in case you thought I was alluding to the Ukraine crisis - I don't see it as analogous. Do I feel the US and others should be giving them aid and support--oh yeah. Hopefully not escalating out of control.
 
DS9 didn't start off my favorite. Granted, it had an explosive opening in "Emissary" going right back to my favorite TNG/Trek episode, however then I felt the rest of the pilot got bogged down and the first season and a good deal of the second were uneven (though I think DS9 got off to a better start than TNG).

It wasn't until the Dominion War arc really kicked in that DS9 leaped over TNG for me. I really appreciated the writing, the deep, rich, and nuanced character development, and the production values. We really see some many of the DS9 characters grow or change that it gave me the best sense of a fulfilled viewing experience. Not even bow was tied, but there was so much great character work done that I was satisfied not getting a DS9 movie (though I would've been very happy if we had), or if we get a revival of some sort. With the DS9 mentions in CBS Trek so far, I'm hoping that a DS9 character appears soon on Lower Decks, Prodigy, or Picard.

I thought Avery Brooks was great as Sisko. For a long time, he was the best developed Black character in Trek, in filmed science fiction (movies and television) period, and I loved the exploration of him as a family man and as a lover/spouse, in addition to him being a great galactic figure. I do think Michael Burnham today sits beside Sisko, though I think the DS9 writing/character development has been better between the characters, and their respective series overall.

I appreciated that the DS9 writers were willing to bring in more interpersonal conflict, more complex characters, and even give us something like Section 31. They questioned the Federation and Starfleet values by challenging them in ways we had rarely seen at the time and that made the Trek galaxy feel more realistic to me.
 
Well, just to clarify in case you thought I was alluding to the Ukraine crisis - I don't see it as analogous. Do I feel the US and others should be giving them aid and support--oh yeah. Hopefully not escalating out of control.

No analogy intended: I was being quite literal, if sarcastic.
 
Because of how the show developed during the years with a lot of twists in the tale, unexpected events and the development of the characters.

When I first watched the first season of DS9 in 1997, it looked like a sort of "TNG minor team" to me. Good characters and a decent plot but not that fantastic.

Due to stupid policies from the station in my area which aired it and other circumstances, including lousy DVD:s, it took some time until I got the opportunity to watch the whole show from beginning to end.

But whenI finally got the chance to watch it, I was overwhelmed with the incredible quality of the series. The changing scenario which started with the aftermath of the cardassian occupation of Bajor and the newly discovered wormhole but turned into something different, even more exciting.

The great characters and the development of them, both the "good guys" and the "bad guys".

Not to mention good stories with some unexpected twists and turns here and there.

And a lot of humor here and there too which can be refreshing in a series which dealt with a lot of serious matters.

In all, an overwhelming experience! :techman:

Maybe the problems I had with watching the series was a blessing too because when i finally got the chance, it was when I almost had started losing interest in Star Trek after a lot of dissapointments with the project. The DS9 arrived as if someone had opened a closed window to let in fresh air and sunshine.

I use to say that "The later seasons of Voyager, Enterprise, The NuTrek movies and Discovery almost ruined my interest in Star Trek but Deep Space Nine restored it."

As it is, I'm into my fifth re-watch of the series from start to end now. My "re-run" of it will most likely end some time in November, as it has the recent times. I always get mixed emotions about watching What You Leave Behind. It's positive to see the ending of the war and that the Dominion finally is defeated but sad to see the old gang break up and go their separate ways.

Personally I wish that they all had remained on the station which would have been great for future books and a possible movie.

However, I know that after the somewhat sad end of all the fun and adventures and after a sceduled break in my routines, I will push my own "reset button" by watching Emissary on Christmas Eve and there they are again, the good, old gang ready for another journey again! And again! And again! :techman:
 
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ained? I'm sure this is a typo and I don't mean to pick on it because typos happen to everyone, but I'd really like to know what word was meant.
 
ained? I'm sure this is a typo and I don't mean to pick on it because typos happen to everyone, but I'd really like to know what word was meant.
Thanks for pointing this out for me.

Yes, it was a typo or probably one of those times when I type too fast for my keyboard.
Unfortunately, thtere are times when I don't discover my errors in time despite all attempts from me to do so.

The word should have been "remained".

I've corrected that in my post above and the correct meaning is:
Personally I wish that they all had remained on the station which would have been great for future books and a possible movie.

:techman:
 
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Depth of Characters. Heck, *secondary* characters like Dukat, Garak, Damar, Nog (list goes on) had better character development than allot of regulars on other Trek shows. Just check out the guest list on DS9's series finale. More fleshed out and/ or interesting than Harry Kim, Chakotay (Beltran would agree), Beverly Crusher to name a few. Especially compared to Voyager, DS9 is superior IMO. DS9 was doing multilayered rich storylines, arcs and explored so many themes. Whereas Voyager was doing too many run of the mill "forehead of the week " storylines where a "MacGyver" type solution happens and everything is solved in the last 5 minutes of the episode.

Don't get me wrong, Voyager had some strong episodes. Great episodes like Tuvix, Nothing Human, Scorpion, Year of Hell , Blink of an Eye and One Small Step. I would give it a "B" grade overall. Whereas DS9 is an A /A+ in my books. Just personal opinion.
 
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Because I can only get through one, maybe two episodes with my phone, I usually watch TNG and VOY these days. But I look forward to the day when I can stream Paramount to my TV, and do some proper DS9 binges.
 
Deep Space 9 more than any other Trek series is the one that is most relevant to the human race as it currently is, plagued by oppression, exploitation and war. It doesn't shy away from the messiness or ugliness of protracted conflict, wrapped up in a tidy hour with ad breaks.
 
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