Why is Admiral Vance's uniform...
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The uniform is from the real world. That's where the show got it. The reference to Hogan's Heroes was an attempt at playfulness. Let's set it aside moving forward.
It's not the shade of gray by itself but the constellation of components previously mentioned.
I don't think the transition you're referring to gets you this design. The components from TMP (epaulets, belly detail, dept. colors) don't lead here, nor do previous gray/red/black/gold designs have this effect. This seems to me more an "inspired by" effect than an "emergent from" one.
I accept that you think it's my theory, but, from my perspective, it's like saying that it's my theory that a bow of red-orange-yellow-green-blue-indigo-&-purple light is a rainbow and I "want to stick with it." That's fine.
There's nothing in the cut of his uniform that suggests Wehrmacht for me, the detailing on the upper front actually looks quite Bajoran, as was pointed out by many. And overall, a tailored all-light-gray ensemble with red accents reminds me more of a Starfleet Cadet than of anything else. Now, if Vance was wearing baggy breeches with stiff riding boots, then I'd be concerned.
I'm saving this post, just in case.
Saru better watch out or Vance will try and set him up with his sister.
By all means.
I ... I saw this post and I just ... just had to stare at a wall for a bit. This ... is something. Like, other people try to get to the stars by building spacecraft, but you brave soul try to get there just by reaching really, really, really hard.
The materials are different. The cut is entirely different. The embellishments are entirely different. One costume has delicate red piping and a red priest-collar-dealio with thin, long epaulettes and rank insignia as modest black accents. The other one has no piping but giant red coat lapels, a red, gold embellished jacket collar, and red, gold embellished epaulettes, and a lot of black in both jacket and giant-ass coat collar.
The only similarities are literally that they are both clearly military style cut (and not even really the same military style) and use grey as a base, and red and black (and gold) as accents. And the costume designer can't possibly have picked grey as a base because it's a "serious", understated color that will allow any color detail to "pop", and grey was a better option than muted dark blues or greens, browns, or heaven forbid beige. No it must be in reference to a 55 year old sitcom.
It's probably as simple as this: Light grey with red and black (and gold) accents looks good. Fetching, even. See https://www.uniformsarees.in/collec...ed-italian-crepe-silk-anganwadi-uniform-saree and https://www.uniformsarees.in/collec...ian-crepe-silk-teachers-uniform-salwar-kameez. And it's a clear visual departure from the Starfleet uniforms that we've seen before helping to build the feeling for the viewer that they and our heroes aren't in Kansas anymore.
That’s a great look!
Black undershirt; grey base colour; department colour with gold edging...
Maybe not for 3189 but perhaps by 4189 Starfleet dress uniforms have reverted to the toga or saree look for men and women.
I guess the salwaar kameez for standard uniform too.
Change the red to other appropriate colours for different departments and we’re done. All it needs now is a badge.
Gene would have loved it!
So you’re going to be rude. Got it.
Correct. That’s why it’s “reminiscent of,” not “similar to.”
Incorrect. For reasons already mentioned multiple times.
Both incorrect and mischaracterizing. This is less a discussion in good faith as it is an emotional outburst.
They’re not the same colors, kind of outfit, accents, or detailing. There’s less there to be reminiscent of. If you squint and try “really, really, really hard,” maybe.
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