Why is 1 day 26hrs???

[TheSeeker]

I don't really understand the reason for the rule. Is there some sort of administrative headache when an older thread is resurrected? I figure there must be some problem, but I can't imagine what it is, and if anybody said what it was, I missed it. Of course my understanding of why isn't important and I'll comply if that's the rule, but I do wonder about it.

The rule has a long history here which I wont get into now, but the real point of the rule as it stands today is that we don't want to end up with a situation where we have multiple resurrected threads pushing fresh new content to the bottom of the page or even onto the second page. There is also the possibility that with threads as old as this one that the original poster or a poster you quote is no longer even active on the BBS, so resurrecting the thread to reply to them is kind of pointless and has the aforementioned undesired effect of pushing new content further down the page.

Having said that, this thread revival has had a positive outcome so I am happy to leave it open, but please create a new thread in the future and link back to the old thread if necessary. Thanks!

 

[JRTStarlight]

After considering it further, I thought perhaps relative newcomers might see a newly resurrected thread for the first time (one which they normally would have missed, since it was buried in the ancient stacks of dormancy, if not for the aforementioned resurrection) and possibly feel the need to read through and respond to many older posts, and not just to the last few posts, thus attempting to engage old timers who have passed from the current realm of BBS activity. Even then, the thread would either quickly whither and sink again into nigh oblivion having failed its resurrection survival roll, or reengage current members with "new content" worthy of taking its place alongside other new content. So without getting into it, I'm not sure I will ever fully understand the need for the artificial constraint.
But like I said, my understanding is not necessary, nor particularly important on the matter, and I will happily acquiesce to the board rules. Compliance is not a problem.

 

[JarMa13]

Can I blow your mind?
If you're on DS and it's 11am for you and it's 12pm in Los Angeles on Earth, it's 10pm in London. The following day, at 11am, it will be 2pm in Los Angeles and midnite the following day in London, so earth communication and where in earth you communicate would always be ever changing.
Stardates ARE earth centric, however, pretending it is coincidence that a year is 1000 points... There are places all over space that have different time. Like the episode with Lori petty where time passed so quickly for them, they were on the planet for 3 months but missing from voyager only 6 hours. How would stardates work with them? And if time does pass more quickly, in 100 years they could evolve beyond you.
But no matter what the stardate for you, someone in a time dilation field could never relate to your time. It's almost like you cease to exist for 59 of the kinutes in their hour.... So voyager would probably appear as a particle to them, jumping in and out of reality.
Perhaps that's why particles do this.

 

[Boris Skrbic]

Stardates aren’t Earth-centric since the Xindi also use them: it’s just the Federation happens to use Earth-based units in at least some of the formats (years in 2233, days in 1312.4, roughly 1/1000ths of years globally but locally also days in 44002…). Who is to say there aren’t any number of such formats in use by the individual members of the Federation and interpreted back and forth by the universal translator (which doesn’t do that for us, so all we hear are incomprehensible numbers much of the time).

 

[TheSeeker]

Welcome the TrekBBS @JarMa13 !

As a new member you're probably not aware, but we ask members not to resurrect threads if they've been dormant for over a year. Now, having said that, I tend to be pretty lenient with this policy when it comes to new members since you can't be expected to know all of our rules right out of the gate. In future if you really want to continue the discussion on an old thread just go ahead and create a new one and link back to any relevant content if need be.

Thanks, and happy posting!

 

[MacLeod]

Can I blow your mind?
If you're on DS and it's 11am for you and it's 12pm in Los Angeles on Earth, it's 10pm in London. The following day, at 11am, it will be 2pm in Los Angeles and midnite the following day in London, so earth communication and where in earth you communicate would always be ever changing.
Stardates ARE earth centric, however, pretending it is coincidence that a year is 1000 points... There are places all over space that have different time. Like the episode with Lori petty where time passed so quickly for them, they were on the planet for 3 months but missing from voyager only 6 hours. How would stardates work with them? And if time does pass more quickly, in 100 years they could evolve beyond you.
But no matter what the stardate for you, someone in a time dilation field could never relate to your time. It's almost like you cease to exist for 59 of the kinutes in their hour.... So voyager would probably appear as a particle to them, jumping in and out of reality.
Perhaps that's why particles do this.

Welcome to the board

However 14:00 local time in LA would be 22:00 UK time (most of the year due to differences in when summer time starts/ends PST is GMT -8). However the Earth does have a universal time UTC aka GMT. So stardates likely act as the equivalent of different time zones allowing different locations to work to a standard time. Sure 1000 stardates might be equivalent to 1 Earth Year but you have to coordinate your time from some place, so it kinda of makes sense to do that based on your Capital's location.

The series also revolve around a quasi-military organisation one would think it is important for them to make sure everyone is on the same time.

 

[Silvercrest]

Double zombie thread! That has to be some kind of record.

 

[MacLeod]

Double zombie thread! That has to be some kind of record.

Well they do say records are made to be broken.

 

[at Quark's]

Given that a universal absolute time doesn't even exist (according to relativity) and that different planetary systems and ships could potentially have their own slightly different timeframes, I wonder how the 'base' stardate is exactly referenced, and if everyone has to synchronise their clocks to that standard every now and then.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Given that a universal absolute time doesn't even exist (according to relativity) and that different planetary systems and ships could potentially have their own slightly different timeframes, I wonder how the 'base' stardate is exactly referenced, and if everyone has to synchronise their clocks to that standard every now and then.

While I suspect my maths was... approximate at best... I think estimated that the TNG-style system might be a truncated system based on rotation to the Milky Way Galaxy.

 

[MAGolding]

It is based on the orbital period of the planet bajor. it takes Bajor 26 "Earth" hours to rotate around its star. Since space station DS9 is in a near orbit of Bajor, and since the provisional government of Bajor are the actual operators of DS9 (not Starfleet or the UFP) they use the system of timekeeping that is appropriate to their species.

It is obviously impossible for the station to use an Earth day divided into 26 Earth hours. The day or the hour or both have to be Bajoran, no doubt chosen because Bajor owns the station.

So DS9 uses an Earth day divided into 26 Bajoran hours, or else a Bajoran day divided into 26 Earth hours. Or most probably a Bajoran day of unknown duration divided into 26 Bajoran hours of unknown duration.

rotational period, not orbital, and axis not star

a 26 hour year, now that would make my head spin

Prepare for a spinning head.

A few exoplanets which have been discovered have years less than 26 Earth hours long.

The shortest known year is that of SWIFT J1756.9-2508 b, which is 0.0339873 Earth days, or 0.81569 Earth hours. The shortest known year of a planet orbiting a main sequence star is that of K2-137b, which is 4.31 Earth hours.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_exoplanet_extremes

The potentially habitable exoplanet, orbiting in its star's habitable zone, with the shortest known year is TRAPPIST-1d, 4.05 Earth days long. TRAPPIST-1d could possibly have intelligent natives or be suitable for colonization by humans.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_potentially_habitable_exoplanets

 

[UnknownSample]

DS9 is a Bajoran base that the Federation is administering. There are many Bajorans working there and coming and going all the time. They are going to use Bajoran time. That explains the number of hours. Who knows what Bajoran time zone they're synched up with. Probably the zone with that big city, the only one they show us.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

DS9 is a Bajoran base that the Federation is administering. There are many Bajorans working there and coming and going all the time. They are going to use Bajoran time. That explains the number of hours.

My guess is that "Bajoran Standard Time", is slightly longer than "Federation Standard Time" due to differing rotational rates, and the 26hrs is the FST conversion (So 2559 station time would be about 2354 in "Bajoran Standard Time".

Who knows what Bajoran time zone they're synched up with. Probably the zone with that big city, the only one they show us.

That would make sense.

 

[UnknownSample]

My guess is that "Bajoran Standard Time", is slightly longer than "Federation Standard Time" due to differing rotational rates, and the 26hrs is the FST conversion (So 2559 station time would be about 2354 in "Bajoran Standard Time".

I never looked for an internal logic in Star Dates because early on in Making Of Star Trek, they talked about it having to do with some time dilation that happens even with warp. Are you saying the Feds and Bajor have different Star Dates? No need for that I think. I'm sure local time near any planet always needs to be translated into Star Dates, which are a sort of universal time scale, or as close as is possible with all the FTL travel.

 

[Shamrock Holmes]

Not so much stardates - though I believe there is a Bajoran calendar for civilian functions, more the daily time side of things. Think of it as more of "time zone" thing.

 

[plynch]

double zombie and not locked down (yet); there is hope for my dream after all

 

[Finn]

I don't think it's the first one. I'm sure I remember several "double zombie" threads in the past.

 

[TheSeeker]

double zombie and not locked down (yet); there is hope for my dream after all

I already explained my reasons for allowing it to remain open. This doesn't mean it's open season on reviving old threads.