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Why I saw Star Trek five times

rbnn

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Lots of people wonder why someone would see a movie more than once. I made a list of a a couple of the new things I noticed each time. What each person notices anew is different for each person of course, but everyone will notice some things.

VIEWING 1.

Before seeing this movie, I had very low expectations. I thought it would be a typical mindless summer actioner. I was overwhelmed by what a great movie it was, but was as confused by the plot as most people. There was so much going on, I thought I missed a lot of it. I remember being especially perturbed by the rash of coincidences on Delta Vega, not to mention the monsters there. (Later learned of the "healing the time stream" theory). I noticed here most of the obvious points subsuming the message boards: the cliff scenes, issues about the timeline, questions about Nero's motivation, and so on.

VIEWING 2.

The precision and deftness in which each of the main crew members is replaced by original Enterprise members: Sulu because the helmsman had lungworm; Chekhov as the prodigy; Uhura because the other officer didn't speak Romulan; McCoy because the chief surgeon was killed on deck 6; Scotty because Olson died on Vulcan after missing the platform; and Kirk to first officer because he impressed Pike and because Spock had replaced Pike; Kirk to captain because Spock resigned; Spock to first officer because Kirk was promoted. Pike's hiring Kirk motivated by Pike's speech that the Federation had lost the willingness to take action.

Numerous instances in which the crew gradually take on their TOS personalities, particularlly Kirk and Spock: e.g. Kirk's sprawl on the con, Spock's "fascination" on the jellyfish, and so on.

The details of the fight on the platform: why Kirk didn't use a phaser against the Romulans or vice versa.

That young Kirk must have been running away from an abusive stepfather, because both Kirk and the hitchhiking kid must have been fleeing the same bad situation.

VIEWING 3.

Spock and Kirk respond differently to the ambiguity of the word "fine". When Amanda uses the word ambiguously to Spock, he demands clarification ("fine has variable definitions. fine is unacceptable"). When Uhura in the next scene uses the word ambiguously to Kirk, he uses the ambiguity to his advantage, to hit on her ("I'm fine without it" "You are fine!"). This exemplifies the pair's differing responses to information: Kirk brilliant at acting in ambiguous situations, in using ambiguity and uncertainty to his advantage; Spock always wanting more clarification, even if action is best. Theme later exemplified in the interpretation of Vulcan message and in the response to Nero's trajectory towards Earth: Kirk wants to act, Spock to analyze.

The distraught undertones in young Kirk's expression, his shifting the Corvette into top gear, his flirting with suicide before changing his mind. Various easter eggs: Randy Pausch, the tribble.

The man flying into space after the Kelvin was hit.

That one of the first lines in the movie is about the "lightning storm."

The single-nacelled construction of the Kelvin, and Kirk's playing with a model of such a ship in talking to Pike in the bar.

Sat through the credits, finally learned Olson is definitely the chief engineer.

Viewing 4.

The way the music shifts from 4/4 to 3/4. The 3/4 music in the shuttle scenes - the escape from the Kelvin and the trip to the Enterprise.

The intricate camerawork, for example, the swooping shots going behind and the in front of the Corvette; the tracking shot introducing the Kelvin; the whip pans around the bridge before alighting on Kirk in the final scene; the awesome shots of Spock in the first scene on the Enterprise riding up the elevator, his mind calculating, as the camera smoothly stays with him until he steps off the bridge, the smoothness of the camerawork emphasizing his own precision and calm.

The amazing acting, particularly the eyes, of Quinto as Spock: how he narrows his eyes imperceptibly when the Vulcan council insult Amanda; how his nose twitches when he learns Vulcan has minutes only; his body language.

How the eyes of the main characters are shot so expressively. Nero with no eyelights, his eyes solid and opaque yet haunted and agonized. Kirk, with clear blue eyes, clearly lit with bright eyelights. Young Kirk, switching between exuberance and distress. Young Spock, with his "sad human eyes", as the Vulcan bullies term them. Spock, with generally clear but very difficult to read eyes, except in a few key scenes (with Uhura in the elevator, with the Vulcan council, for example).

The details of how and when the phasers switch from blue to red and back, and why this is done on the attack on the Narada.

Still more and more bothered by the acting of the character who played Scotty - Scotty kind of ruined all the scenes he was in.

The motif of vehicle self-destruction, either for good or ill (Corvette, Kelvin, Jellyfish).


Viewing 5.

Viewing 5 was my last viewing. It is the first one I did not pick up on a lot of new stuff. I had missed somehow a couple minor plot points: (1) that Nero acquired the red matter from the Spock Prime's Jellyfish; and (2) that the Enterprise can be seen when Kirk and McCoy leave Riverside. I think I heard that young Spock's answer "morally praiseworthy but not morally required" answered the question "when is an action supererogatory", an issue that is a theme in the movie; considered that possibly the volume of a sphere question would related to masses of planets and black holes.
 
I'm amazed it took you 3 or 4 viewings to notice the changing phaser colour, the women on the Kelvin is blown out into space, that the Kelvin only has one nacelle, that Kirk plays with a model ship in the bar, that Nero gets the red matter from Spock's ship etc...

Does it take you 5 viewings to understand basic plot premises in other films as well?
 
^ Be nice! There's a helluva lot going on, took me a couple of times to appreciate the subtleties. :) We all move at different speeds.
 
rbnn I loved your post. I also saw the film 5 times and made notes as to new observations. I would happily see it another 5 times if I could.


Spock and Kirk respond differently to the ambiguity of the word "fine". When Amanda uses the word ambiguously to Spock, he demands clarification ("fine has variable definitions. fine is unacceptable"). When Uhura in the next scene uses the word ambiguously to Kirk, he uses the ambiguity to his advantage, to hit on her ("I'm fine without it" "You are fine!"). This exemplifies the pair's differing responses to information: Kirk brilliant at acting in ambiguous situations, in using ambiguity and uncertainty to his advantage; Spock always wanting more clarification, even if action is best. Theme later exemplified in the interpretation of Vulcan message and in the response to Nero's trajectory towards Earth: Kirk wants to act, Spock to analyze.

Very interesting! I did not pick up on that, that is a great analysis thanks

I think I heard that young Spock's answer "morally praiseworthy but not morally required" answered the question "when is an action supererogatory", an issue that is a theme in the movie; considered that possibly the volume of a sphere question would related to masses of planets and black holes.

Now that is a question I've been meaning to ask the bbs: what was the question that Spock was answering? Is this the correct question? I never could hear what was asked but it certainly makes sense.
 
I'm amazed it took you 3 or 4 viewings to notice the changing phaser colour, the women on the Kelvin is blown out into space, that the Kelvin only has one nacelle, that Kirk plays with a model ship in the bar, that Nero gets the red matter from Spock's ship etc...

Does it take you 5 viewings to understand basic plot premises in other films as well?

did you miss that hot cuppa in the morning on something? :lol:
 
I've seen it three times now. And, one of the things that surprised me the most, and is alluded to above, is how much more subtle and nuanced this film is than it appears at first blush. My reaction first time through was that it was a pleasing big boom bang action film. And it still is. But there is an attention to detail, and small character moments - particularly in Nero's quiet close up moments - that I'd completely missed.

The color of the phasers, I still didn't notice, chiefly because I don't care about such things. The tech side of Trek is the least interesting for me. But then again, maybe that's just the result of that interest being pummeled out of me by worthless magical nonsense technobabble for years and years.
 
I saw it 6 times, and it was the 3rd time that I noticed the Tribble, and on the 4th, that subtle hilight of Captain Pike's eyes, the same that was often done with closeups of Kirk in TOS.

The regular high pitched ping sound that accompanied the viewer in TOS, and was always in the background on the Bridge, I noticed that right from the beginning.

I think this is the most interesting sound mix a Star Trek movie has ever had.

It was also the 2nd or 3rd viewing that I picked up that Uhura had monitored some Klingon transmissions about the prisoner escape and destruction of 47 Klingon ships by a single, massive Romulan ship.
 
Why I saw Star Trek five times
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D
 
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Viewing 4.

The way the music shifts from 4/4 to 3/4. The 3/4 music in the shuttle scenes - the escape from the Kelvin and the trip to the Enterprise.

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Some interesting observations, but this one stood out.

I'm not up to my fifth viewing yet, and I often don't pay close attention to the music while I'm watching a film, but this reminded me of the use in classical music of triple meter in its various forms (3/4, 6/8, 12/8, etc.) to create an effect suggesting moving or flowing water and sailing. It appears quite often in Baroque music and also in later pieces such as Wagner's The Flying Dutchman, (Der Fliegende Holländer) to name one example.

Technically, the starship is also performing the equivalent of sailing, but it's a much larger vessel which feels more solid underfoot, while the shuttle might still feel more like a boat sailing point-to-point. I'm not saying that this is what Giacchino had in mind when writing those passages, but it's an interesting parallel, at least.
 
Why I saw Star Trek five times
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D

Yeah I don't get it either. I know it's Trek and everything...but I've given Paramount enough money over the years...
 
Did everyone notice that the assembly/trial started off with a bell ring like they used to do in ToS for official hearings?

Sharr
 
Why I saw Star Trek five times
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D

Yeah I don't get it either. I know it's Trek and everything...but I've given Paramount enough money over the years...

Because people enjoyed the film, and want to relive it and enjoy it lots of times? :wtf:

Do you only do things you like once and that's it?
 
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D

Yeah I don't get it either. I know it's Trek and everything...but I've given Paramount enough money over the years...

Because people enjoyed the film, and want to relive it and enjoy it lots of times? :wtf:

Do you only do things you like once and that's it?

I'm not saying that anything is wrong with it....but I just don't get why you'd want to spend buck after buck seeing it. Personally I'd rather just wait for the DVD and really get my money's worht.
I mean it's like me watching for example...Naked Time and Space Seed every week...nah couldn't do it...need to change it up...variety is the spice of life. ;)
 
Yeah I don't get it either. I know it's Trek and everything...but I've given Paramount enough money over the years...

Because people enjoyed the film, and want to relive it and enjoy it lots of times? :wtf:

Do you only do things you like once and that's it?

I'm not saying that anything is wrong with it....but I just don't get why you'd want to spend buck after buck seeing it. Personally I'd rather just wait for the DVD and really get my money's worht.
I mean it's like me watching for example...Naked Time and Space Seed every week...nah couldn't do it...need to change it up...variety is the spice of life. ;)

Not everyone is as tight with their money and don't mind spending a few dollars/pounds/whatever which is nothing in the grand scheme of things, to relive a fantastic film on the big screen, considering this is the only chance we'll likely get.

Now I happen to think cinemas (and the whole cinema experience) in the USA is awful compared to say in the UK, and I'm not sure I would have seen it 5 times over the pond but that's just me ;)
 
Because people enjoyed the film, and want to relive it and enjoy it lots of times? :wtf:

Do you only do things you like once and that's it?

I'm not saying that anything is wrong with it....but I just don't get why you'd want to spend buck after buck seeing it. Personally I'd rather just wait for the DVD and really get my money's worht.
I mean it's like me watching for example...Naked Time and Space Seed every week...nah couldn't do it...need to change it up...variety is the spice of life. ;)

Not everyone is as tight with their money and don't mind spending a few dollars/pounds/whatever which is nothing in the grand scheme of things, to relive a fantastic film on the big screen, considering this is the only chance we'll likely get.

Now I happen to think cinemas (and the whole cinema experience) in the USA is awful compared to say in the UK, and I'm not sure I would have seen it 5 times over the pond but that's just me ;)

That could be another reason too..I hate going to the movies...really I do. I much prefer watching them at home and I have no idea what the cinema is i like in other countries.....
But I'm doing Ok with money...it's not that....I just like to waste it on other things...LOL....and man is there a lot of waste goin' on!
 
Why I saw Star Trek five times
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D

It's the most I've seen a film in the theater since I was a kid. My rationale was simple: more people wanted to go, asked me, and the film was good enough to say "yes" each time. Difficult to say if I'd go again if asked, or, how many times I would have gone if not.
 
I'm amazed it took you 3 or 4 viewings to notice the changing phaser colour, the women on the Kelvin is blown out into space, that the Kelvin only has one nacelle, that Kirk plays with a model ship in the bar, that Nero gets the red matter from Spock's ship etc...

Does it take you 5 viewings to understand basic plot premises in other films as well?


In know.. this is stupid.. i noticed all of that first time.. it isnt hard

how old are you OP?
is english your first language?
do you have any learning disabilities?
 
Only five times?? What kind of fan are you???

I am going for number 7 as we speak.
I see films multiple times for the same reason I see a TV show multiple times: I enjoy it and want to see it again.
 
Why I saw Star Trek five times
Why anyone would see a movie more then once or twice is beyond me, actually. That's probably why foreign numbers are so low; people don't go to the same movie week after week. :D
I hear you. For me it was a fluke that I saw it four times because each time different friends and relatives of mine that have never seen Trek wanted to go see it after hearing word-of-mouth and they wanted me to go along. I also was curious to see their reactions to the movie. Let's just say there were lots of smiles after each viewing.
 
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