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Why even lead them to the sphere data?

JirinPanthosa

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Something I’m not getting in my second viewing.

If the sphere data is the source of the threat, why did they need to set a signal to lead them to it? Seems to me, they never go there, the sphere dies silently and its data with it.
 
Something I’m not getting in my second viewing.

If the sphere data is the source of the threat, why did they need to set a signal to lead them to it? Seems to me, they never go there, the sphere dies silently and its data with it.

The sphere was a living being who wanted it and everything it had learned to be remembered
 
Yeah, The Sphere practically reached out and grabbed the Discovery as it was passing by and then would not let go till Pike and crew figured out what it was and what it wanted.
 
Here's another thing: If the sphere data itself is sentient and able to take control of Discovery, why can't it be reasoned with? If it's intelligent enough to control the ship, they should be able to talk to it directly.
 
Here's another thing: If the sphere data itself is sentient and able to take control of Discovery, why can't it be reasoned with? If it's intelligent enough to control the ship, they should be able to talk to it directly.
As a sentient being yourself If someone asked you to blow yourself up for the greater good, would you do it?
 
I don't think so; I'm pretty sure the sphere yanks them out of warp randomly. If not for the legacy of the data and the effect on Saru it could almost be a standalone episde.
 
But didn’t they only go there because of the signal?
One of the signals from the Red Angel yes, but they had no idea that The Sphere was there, nor originally why the Red Angel was directing them to that area.
They would have kept going right by it, if The Sphere hadn't reached out to seize the ship.
 
You guys weren't paying attention very well. :lol:
Mama Burnham specified that in every timeline when the sphere's data was acquired by Control, then Control became fully sentient and had what it needed to eventually wipe out the galaxy. Therefore SHE released the sphere from its gravitational tether, placing it in the Discovery's path, because she felt that they were the only ones she trusted to be able to keep it out of Control's hands.
 
One of the signals from the Red Angel yes, but they had no idea that The Sphere was there, nor originally why the Red Angel was directing them to that area.
They would have kept going right by it, if The Sphere hadn't reached out to seize the ship.

But that's exactly what I'm saying, why couldn't Burnham just not send any signals? Boom, sphere dies safely. Unless we can assume some other ship got it in the original timeline.
 
But that's exactly what I'm saying, why couldn't Burnham just not send any signals? Boom, sphere dies safely. Unless we can assume some other ship got it in the original timeline.
The Sphere was actively searching for a way to DL its info. to be remembered.
If Discovery hadn't been there then it probably would have found some other ship or way to achieve it's goal, which may not have gone any better or possibly worse.

This is the "Original Timeline", but be that as it may, I suppose it is possible that in another timeline it blew up without achieving it's goal.
:shrug:
 
Supposedly Gabrielle Burnham lured the Discovery to the Sphere exactly because several previous timelines had already led to the Sphere puking its contents on parties that then delivered them to Control. Control gaining the data was the robust default setting - perhaps because the Sphere was dying inside UFP space, and Control had very good access on all intel within UFP space.

However, supposedly Gabrielle also painted herself in a corner with all the overlapping time meddling she was doing. It took her a while to realize that Armageddon was the result of Control getting the Sphere data; she then set out to do something about it; and when realizing she could do very little, she had already contradicted herself fifteen times and risked collapsing everything into a chaos. Possibly several more obvious ways to deal with the issue, such as going farther into the past and steering the Sphere to die somewhere else, would have done more harm than good to local history overall. Also, giving the data to her daughter to worry about was a kind of "I have a hammer, so this has to be a nail, no matter how bent" move: Michael was an agent she could rely on, sort of, even if the Federation was full of objectively better candidates.

Timo Saloniemi
 
Mrs. Burnham was perhaps trusting that Michael's 'morals' would prevail, rather then her sometimes questionable faulty judgment?
:shrug:
 
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