That and the lack of toilets.
Why don't they have locker rooms in the holodecks?
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That and the lack of toilets.
I don't really care about the whole transporter debate one way or the other, but since we know for a fact the holodeck can replicate weapons and food, we know it can replicate clothes as well. It should be a very simple matter to have a holo changing area appear complete with the proper costumes before the program starts to give you an opportunity to change.
As to why that often wasn't done? I would guess it had more to do with personal preference than anything else. Perhaps people liked the feeling of getting into character ahead of time, or liked the way that the holodeck doors open up directly into a new world (and so don't want to walk into a changing area first). Perhaps some people feared the possibility that a power outage could leave them unexpectedly naked. Or maybe they just liked the costume so much, that they want to keep it in their personal wardrobe (that would certainly be the only way to make sense of officers showing up on the bridge in holodeck costumes).
As to why that often wasn't done? I would guess it had more to do with personal preference than anything else. Perhaps people liked the feeling of getting into character ahead of time, or liked the way that the holodeck doors open up directly into a new world (and so don't want to walk into a changing area first). Perhaps some people feared the possibility that a power outage could leave them unexpectedly naked. Or maybe they just liked the costume so much, that they want to keep it in their personal wardrobe (that would certainly be the only way to make sense of officers showing up on the bridge in holodeck costumes).
Perhaps the waste is beamed directly out of the person, thus nullifying the need for toilet facilities.
Kor
Heck, one of Roddenberry's ideas for TMP was that humanity had evolved socially beyond the need for clothes in everyday civilian life.In the utopian future of the 24th century, humanity has evolved beyond dressing rooms.
Kor
It also implies that in the crew quarters the wardrobes are filled with lines and lines of identical Starfleet uniforms and then things like World War I fighter pilot outfits, Medieval suits of armour and suchlike.
I know a guy in real life like that...although I don't know about the 'lines and lines' of identical Starfleet Uniforms but I'm sure he has at least one.
I thought the only reason they did that was because they didn't have time to change...
True, but there was a similar situation on Voyager, Tom Paris was on the holodeck, red alert was called and he had to run to the bridge still in the costume he was wearing on the holodeck, which Chakotay ripped into him over. So I can easily imagine the other bridge officers on the Enterprise believing they were witnessing a double standard when the entire senior staff walk onto the bridge in their holodeck costumes.
^ Rank has its privileges. 
We see Ilia have clothes beamed onto her in the motion picture.
And I don't think the officers stitched themselves into those uniforms...
First contact is the only other time beaming on clothes is something borderline explicit, through implicit dialogue, especially the holodeck scene.
Physically getting dressed the rest of the time seems to be an optional hobby. But since the crews seem to be populated by variants of what we now call 'hipsters' with archaic hobbies, it's not much of a surprise. There's probably a trend somewhere for shoes with hand crafted laces.
And I don't think the officers stitched themselves into those uniforms...
First contact is the only other time beaming on clothes is something borderline explicit, through implicit dialogue, especially the holodeck scene.
Physically getting dressed the rest of the time seems to be an optional hobby. But since the crews seem to be populated by variants of what we now call 'hipsters' with archaic hobbies, it's not much of a surprise. There's probably a trend somewhere for shoes with hand crafted laces.
It could be interpreted either way. If the clothing was replicated on to them during transport, it would make sense for Picard to instruct the computer such in the transporter room. Although it certainly is possible that they beamed a dressing room into the transporter for the occasion.
This is contradicted in several places by the description of the transporter as a matter energy converter.
Assuming that is physically possible by 24th century technology.
The Star Wars EU novels call bathrooms 'freshers'.
Tom was in trouble for being on the holodeck instead of in sick bay where he was supposed to be.
In Generations they were having a scheduled ceremony when an emergency came up.
So I think they were two different situations, rather than a double standard.
Not really. We see Ilia appear by supernatural means (V'Ger makes her happen). The clothing would probably be by supernatural means, too.
It certainly doesn't take a transporter. In "Ensign Ro", the titular character opens a seam in her jacket that simply doesn't exist before it's opened, and no transporter is required for the feat. Future clothing just happens to be seamless, is all.
This mainly happens when the heroes explain stuff to ignorant primitives. No reason to assume it should be true. Especially as there are no major energies involved (a transporter operates on a flashlight battery when required), even though converting a person should involve enough energy to level a small kingdom.
Everything the holodeck does appears to be physically possible within the context
. And when even greater feats are seen in "Devil's Due", they are dismissed as cheap parlor tricks.Really, the most amazing magic in technology today is to be found in entertainment. And rightly so, because the magic aspect is played to the max there. TNG era might not be all that different.
Timo Saloniemi
Not really. We see Ilia appear by supernatural means (V'Ger makes her happen). The clothing would probably be by supernatural means, too.
It certainly doesn't take a transporter. In "Ensign Ro", the titular character opens a seam in her jacket that simply doesn't exist before it's opened, and no transporter is required for the feat. Future clothing just happens to be seamless, is all.
This mainly happens when the heroes explain stuff to ignorant primitives. No reason to assume it should be true. Especially as there are no major energies involved (a transporter operates on a flashlight battery when required), even though converting a person should involve enough energy to level a small kingdom.
Everything the holodeck does appears to be physically possible within the context
Really, the most amazing magic in technology today is to be found in entertainment. And rightly so, because the magic aspect is played to the max there. TNG era might not be all that different.
Timo Saloniemi
I do so love that scene in ensign Ro. It's not the invisible seam...it's the badge staying place that's the charm.
And we see Kirk choose ilias clothing. Vger has her appear nude. Kirk dials in the gallifreyan spa robe. I think the novel even mentions it.
...But the novel is not read out loud during the movie. And whatever Kirk dials, the audience is not informed of its effects. Our heroes are always pushing obscurely labeled buttons that have no immediately evident effect; it's up to the audience to decide what the buttons are supposed to do. And here they probably are Kirk's desperate attempt to lock the shower door against the intruder, using some sort of a fire alarm override or whatnot (because why would the buttons for actually operating the normal shower functions be located next to Kirk?).
OTOH, the audience does get told that V'Ger is bringing in the Ilia thing - and would really need further prompting if intended to think that her clothes came from another source altogether.
Timo Saloniemi
OTOH, the audience does get told that V'Ger is bringing in the Ilia thing - and would really need further prompting if intended to think that her clothes came from another source altogether.
Timo Saloniemi
I dunno, it always seemed obvious to me that he was dialling up the clothes. She stands there oblivious, has no self awareness in that way at all. It's thematic with the film and everything. I am not sure why there would even be a 'lock someone in the shower' button but can see a 'program up some clothes' attached to it making logical sense. It's also the only remotely logical explanation for why she turns up in the shower in the first place, convoluted though it may be. (writer -gene- thinks druid must be nude when she appears. We can't go for r rating after all. Droid needs clothes. Have her turn up and the shower so we can do futuristic clothes beam on scene and still suggest nudity)
I definitely never read that scene as anything but Kirk programming up clothes, as she's nude, Kirk punches buttons, she's clothed. Why would V"ger do a two stage beam in, with clothes as an afterthought?
He's doing a multistage beaming anyway - Ilia is sort of sliding in, with the temperature changing and all. That the product isn't finished until it is... Well, it makes sense. We need some excuse for giving Kirk enough time to reach the scene before Ilia steps out, after all.
If you are leaving your cabin, you might want to remotely shut down certain shower functions you forgot to turn off. Say, it would be handy to have an off switch for your oven right at the front door, and some people actually have that nowadays (although it will obviously be in their mobile phones from now on). And if you are coming from the grocer's to prepare a dinner, you might wish to have an on switch for the oven at the front door, too.
However, how could a control for beaming clothes be useful three meters away from said shower? Do you walk naked to the front door, press the button, and then run like hell, hoping to catch the clothing when it materializes in the shower booth?
Timo Saloniemi
If you are leaving your cabin, you might want to remotely shut down certain shower functions you forgot to turn off. Say, it would be handy to have an off switch for your oven right at the front door, and some people actually have that nowadays (although it will obviously be in their mobile phones from now on). And if you are coming from the grocer's to prepare a dinner, you might wish to have an on switch for the oven at the front door, too.
However, how could a control for beaming clothes be useful three meters away from said shower? Do you walk naked to the front door, press the button, and then run like hell, hoping to catch the clothing when it materializes in the shower booth?
Timo Saloniemi
Given she appears glistening I. That scene, I think he basically hit the 'quick shower and robe' button. I will watch it again later, but it looks that way. Cool it off and stick some clothes on it, then there's the whole headband scene that basically shows clothing her takes her from being an it to being a her. Thematic with the film.
