Why don't the execs see it???

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Enterprise' started by PeeWee's USS Lollipop, Feb 26, 2003.

  1. mvkemp

    mvkemp Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    1. You want the effects to look like something out of the 60s? I don't think so. A phase pistol is fine. It shoots a red beam out. Phasers in TOS shot some sort of beam, but much cheaper looking. You want the Phase pistols to shoot a fuzzy, foot wide, red beam across the screen? I don't think so.

    2. The Interior of the Ent looks remarkably like the interiors of todays naval vessels(except for the wider corridors). So are you now going to argue that the aircraft carrier Enterprise doesn't belong here because it looks too 'futuristic' and the TOS Enterprise didn't?

    3. I own a Toyota Corolla. It's nice, silver, has curves and all. Looks good. I never owned a Delorean, which was very metallic, sharp angles, and looked more futuristic than my Corolla. Maybe it really was a car from the future brought back to the 80s. It's the same thing with Ent and 1701. Sharp and Metallic does not equal more technologically advanced and futuristic. Also, the ship has a primary hull and two nacelles. It's essentially an engine strapped to a saucer. The 1701 had the saucer, secondary hull and then the two nacelles. Seems to me that that would require more training and future designs because adding a secondary hull would be more futuristic.

    4. When cars first started becoming prevalent in the worl about 100 years ago, they still had an engine and a steering wheel, probably some brakes and a place for people to ride in. Are you trying to say that they are too advanced because that sounds a lot like todays cars? Same thing on Ent, it still is a ship, still has engines, weapons, etc, just a lot less advanced. Enterprise would be like the old model T and 1701 would be like my Corolla.

    5. And back in the Revolutionary War, they fired muskets. Essentially detonated some gun powder and a projectile shot out. Todays guns work on the same principle, just a bit more streamlined. We call them both guns. At least in Enterprise they tried to distinguish the name of the phaser/phase pistol.
     
  2. Temis the Vorta

    Temis the Vorta Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    The major decline in ratings happened in the first two seasons. S3 has been good enough to stop the worst hemmorhage but not good enough to keep everyone watching, or lure anyone back.
     
  3. Nephandus

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    More likely that they have simply whittled the audience down to a core group that will be very hard to displease with whatever they are serving currently.
     
  4. pookha

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    termis is right.. the huge massive drain came in one and two.. with huge drops from the novemeber to the later sweep months ...
    this was the first season where the feb sweeps shows had about the same amount of viewers as the november sweeps.

    i still lay a lot of blame at upn and their affiliates.
    the show just wasnt promoted the first two year and off and on this year.

    last summer wb did a massive campaign for smallville with all kinds of ads and cross promotions that enterprise didnt get.

    and the affiliates have done serious damage with the way they take it off for various sports stuff.
    i have run into people who thought the show had been canceled back in season one due to the affiliates pre empting it and the lack of publicity.

    actually the recent publicity is the first i can think of for enterprise since the start of the show.

    there was a little last summer but nothing like this,,
    and look a lot of people missed the first two new shows damage and forgotten because the ads for them from upn just were not there and people still thought it was in this long rerun cycle.
     
  5. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Absolutely right. :D
     
  6. Jack Bauer

    Jack Bauer Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    It's not arrogance. It's his opinion of the show's quality. And isn't your comment a flame?
     
  7. DragonLady

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    This is a lot of my problem, and destroys my believability, to be honest.

    If they wanted to continue to use 24th century tech, they should have stayed in the 24th century.

    They said they wanted to get away from 24th century stories, but a lot of their stories were recycled scripts from that time.

    Given this, you really wonder what a prequel concept was for...
     
  8. DragonLady

    DragonLady Commodore Commodore

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    One thing I have noticed about the casting...

    In TNG and DS9, a lot of the actors (even the guest stars) were experienced ACTORS (not stars or the latest fad girl) who were either from the stage or had an extensive background there. There were exceptions, but that was generally true.

    They seemed to get away from that on Voyager and now Enterprise. Bakula and Billingsley seem to be the only two with a track record and Bakula was a TV actor for the most part.

    Not sure if that's relevant (but I'm sure it is), but something I noticed.
     
  9. StrangeCloud

    StrangeCloud Commander Red Shirt

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    The decline in ratings is simply because UPN does no promo for the show, and most people (other than devoted fans) don't even know the show exists, including many of those who watched the previous ST shows on a regular basis.
     
  10. kdalton_69

    kdalton_69 Commander Red Shirt

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    I don't agree with this. I hardly watched an episode last season after the season premier because I thought the premier was like VOY's "Basics, Part II." It took a great premise and difficult situation and resolved it much too easily in under an hour. I would have preferred Archer NOT to get back to his own time for a few episodes.

    I watched the "The Expanse" to see if it was any good and was intrigued, and despite some missteps ( "Extinction" and "Carpenter Street" come to mind, which still managed to move the arc while offering a terrible story) I have been very satisfied with the efforts this season.

    I am not a part of the core group. I am a viewer who will easily turn off the set if the series returns to the ho-hum stories of the second season.

    The only reason I have some trepidation about "Countdown" is that Andre Bormanis helped write it, and I think he is the weakest link on the writing team.

    Okay, now I am rambling. :rolleyes:
     
  11. igrokbok

    igrokbok Commodore Commodore

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    There's probably not a suit there that ever layed eyes on Trek, muc less classic Trek, and the only person there to hold the series to any "standards" is Berman...who holds the shows to one standard only, his. So how can they realize the cake doesn't taste right if they've never sampled a piece that was cooked to perfection.