Spoilers Why doesn't Pike just tell the admiral what happened on Boreth?

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Yistaan, May 8, 2022.

  1. JoaquinSlowly

    JoaquinSlowly Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    ‪‪I don’t want to see Pike trying to escape his fate, because as others have already mentioned, it would undo the meaning of this scene on Boreth:

    That moment is powerful, and established Pike as a truly selfless and heroic character who places their values and beliefs, and the lives of others, above their own personal safety. If Pike were to abandon his post his position would be filled by someone else, and he’d be passing his fate onto them. It would be beyond cowardly, and Pike wouldn’t be the man he is.
     
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  2. Sci

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    Because the matter has been classified by Starfleet Command on a need-to-know basis, and Pike does not have the legal authority to grant Admiral April clearance to read in on the secret.

    You may recall that Admiral April said he had to go to the C-in-C himself to get read in on the events of DIS S2.
     
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    In classical terms, trying to cheat the fates has a bad outcome. I kind of think the writers know that, and I'll be disappointed if they don't stick with it.

    It absolutely makes sense that Chris Pike would do whatever he thinks he can to avoid what he saw in the vision, but for him to be a proper hero, in the end he will accept his destiny.

    This entire aspect of the character, IMO, is rather brilliant and elevates him and his story potential as compared to previous captains.
     
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  5. Qonundrum

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  6. Ar-Pharazon

    Ar-Pharazon Admiral Premium Member

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    That can drop anyone, except Scarrans.
     
  7. Enterprise1701

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    Insufficient context. Pike did not get a date for the disaster. Starfleet has loads of ships with identical room layouts like the one he saw. And no matter how safe Starfleet tries to make their ships, the occasional accident is inevitable. Pike cannot feasibly dedicate every waking hour 24/7 to micromanaging the lives of strangers he has not yet met.

    And besides:
    This is a useful point about life. If you hole yourself up indoors just to avoid one event, then you can never enjoy any kind of outdoor social interaction or anything else of the like again. At that point, what kind of life is that?
     
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  8. Yistaan

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    There's more to life than just starfleet. if you live your life only for your job (and one you now know will ultimately permanently injure you), what kind of life is that?

    No offense but this is the sort of thing governments tell people as they die slowly and painfully from radiation poisoning after sending them to unsafe environments like Chernobyl, Fukushima etc. that it was all worth it because you're brave and honored your country or whatever. Obviously a lot of people are going to have problems with that. This is literally why we have workers' unions etc., so that employers or agencies don't glamorize unsafe, hazardous situations and sweep them under the rug.
     
  9. fireproof78

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    So he should turn his back on himself, his sense of duty, and his values, because of risk? Didn't Q say something about that?

    Except this wasn't an unsafe working condition. It was a random accident that could happen to anyone and was part of Starfleet training. That Pike chooses to remain a part of Starfleet despite the risk is a part of what makes him who he is.
     
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  10. Serveaux

    Serveaux Mediocre Old White Man Premium Member

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    No offense, but that logic makes no fucking sense.

    No one orders or expects Pike to do what he does. He chooses to do it. It's not an "organizational problem in need of reform."
     
  11. Enterprise1701

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    Why are you watching Star Trek then?
     
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  12. Nerys Myk

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    Soldiers, police officers, firemen and other risks their lives everyday. Civilians in Ukraine are risking their lives as we speak. Should they all just "Stay where it's safe"?
     
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  13. Yistaan

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    That's getting beyond the point that an officer shouldn't be taking the absurd mysticism of a religiously fanatic alien (remember Boreth monks sit around waiting for Kahless to come back) as unchangable scientific fact. There are ways of addressing the problem head on without shirking duties. Keep in mind this outright thread title is asking why Pike doesn't tell command about the vision.

    There's the science component (the vision is obviously a possible future) and the religious/possibly fictional component (that it's set in stone just because Pike grabbed a crystal). Starfleet knows from just the Temporal Wars on Enterprise that these things aren't set in stone.
     
  14. Nerys Myk

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    Who's to say he hasn't? Command knows all about the DISCO's mission.
    You seem to thinks he should take it seriously and just abandon Starfleet and everything he believes in.
     
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  15. Yistaan

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    He only believed in it for the last few years, considering his talk in the cage when he was going to quit over less
     
  16. Nerys Myk

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    Pretty sure he got his groove back in the end.
     
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    Pike doesn't have the entire picture of his life, either. He knows about the accident and the confinement to the life support chair. But he doesn't appear to have any knowledge of returning to Vina, later. (and after that.. who knows?)
     
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  18. fireproof78

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    Even Boyce remarks on how out of character that would be for Pike.

    Pike is very much a man of deeply held convictions, and that includes serving and doing his duty to the best of his ability. To the death if necessary. That's what Starfleet officers do. That Pike has knowledge of his outcome doesn't change his values. If it did, that would reflect poorly on the nature of his convictions, and people like April and Boyce would call him out on it.
     
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  19. JoaquinSlowly

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    No, it isn’t. It’s nothing like anything you mentioned. It wasn’t any organization, government or institution telling Pike to make the choice he made, it’s Pike’s own convictions and beliefs that motivated his decision. There is no conspiracy or sweeping under the rug even remotely related to an individual making the decision to sacrifice themselves for others.
     
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  20. KirkusOveractus

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    Maybe he just didn't want to boreth him with the details?
     
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